Cont: President Trump: Part 3

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Emily's Cat said:
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You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of democrat supporters into what I call the basket of arrogance. Right?

The condescending, elitist, holier-than-though -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. Now, some of those folks -- they are unable to be set their egos aside, but thankfully they are not America. But the other basket -- and I know this because I have friends like this -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the uneducated have let them down, the ignorant people have let them down, nobody cares about their better judgement and education, and they just want to be heard. It doesn't really even matter who is listening. They don't think they know everything, but they hold out some hope that someone will value their insight. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.
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YEp they like the salt of the earth racism and sexism of trump. It speaks to their values. They know the horrors of the white genocide in this country and they want a president who is also woke to that.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Grr. I don't care if you offend actual racists. That's different from assuming that a large swath of "those people" are racists, and then insulting them for being racist whether they actually are or not. How can you not see that?
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And calling out racists as racists is something that many people find deeply insulting, just like being called out on sexism or other forms of bigotry.

You have to take these people by the people they choose to represent them, they choose the trumps and the Steve Kings. That says something about them. It shows a clear level of comfort with racism, but you can't call them out on it anymore than you can call out a friend of a friend on their racism at a party. It is you who will be asked to leave not the racist.

We need to develop far more tolerance to racism and stop calling people on it to win white america. That is the only way the democrats can win.
 
Craig4 said:
When the factories don't start hiring, the coal mines don't come back and Mexico never sends a check for the wall, the crowds will stop coming. It's a coping strategy that can't work in the long run.

Eventually, he will drown in the swamp he came to drain.
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Naa, he will blame it all on the deep state and democratic opposition. The crowds will eat that up.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Campaigning is fun, governing is boring. What did people expect? With his victory lap rallies he set the tone for his presidency.
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I agree 100%.

In the time span between the election and the inauguration, I would have expected someone in his position to have immersed himself in a crash course on US government and world affairs.

I thought the "Victory Tour" was both self-aggrandizing and embarrassing. But I suppose it was not meant for you and me - his supporters seemed to love it, and still do.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Because half of Trump's supporters probably aren't RACISTS.
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A whole half of them aren't racist! Sorry probably aren't racists, well that makes a world of difference. How could Clinton possible call Trump supporters deplorable when maybe half of them were only ignoring his popularity with racists, not actually being racist themselves...:rolleyes:
 
Garrison said:
A whole half of them aren't racist! Sorry probably aren't racists, well that makes a world of difference. How could Clinton possible call Trump supporters deplorable when maybe half of them were only ignoring his popularity with racists, not actually being racist themselves...:rolleyes:
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...and ignoring the candidate's own racist rhetoric, which formed the bulk of its campaign.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Wait. ... What? How is "a negative stereotype" about a particular race of people not racism?
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It is a recognition of systemic racism in our justice system? Like how black teens don't smoke marijuana at a higher rate than white teens but they get arrested and charged with it at a much higher rate. So not more apt to criminal behavior but more likely to have criminal convictions.

Though I think very very few trump supporters would make such an argument.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
...In the time span between the election and the inauguration, I would have expected someone in his position to have immersed himself in a crash course on US government and world affairs...
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I also agree and it became obvious at the time that Trump was not doing his 'homework.'

I saw Secretary of State John Kerry interviewed on the PBS NewsHour by Judy Woodruff, last January shortly before Inauguration Day. It was a wide-ranging interview aired over several nights. At one point she asked him about the Trump administration contacting him -- as is traditional -- to be brought up to speed on what is going on at State. Kerry said there had only been a preliminary contact but he hoped to do more to smooth the transition. Woodruff asked Kerry if he didn't think the seeming lack of interest by the Trump people was a little strange. Kerry said he would prefer not to characterize it.

I also read a news piece about the famous visit between Trump and Obama at the White House shortly after the election. The reporter mentioned that Jared Kushner was there as well. While his father-in-law spoke with Obama, Kushner was busy asking the White House staff members, how does a president get his cabinet officers nominated in Congress? What is the procedure, how does a president actually do it? It sounded clueless and kind of pathetic. :(
 
ponderingturtle said:
They need to figure out how to sell them on things that can actually be done, not the lets go back to the 1950's that these voters want to hear. They want coal and manufacturing jobs back like they used to be, not retraining in economically viable growth industries.
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Problem is that those people have bought into what amounts to a conspiracy theory that those jobs were 'stolen' and can thus be returned. The Democratic Party are being blamed by some people for failing to find a way to explain reality to the economic equivalent of 9/11 truthers.
 
newyorkguy said:
I also agree and it became obvious at the time that Trump was not doing his 'homework.'
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In the car yesterday, we listened to Paul Ryan speaking about the path the Republican Obamacare replacement bill will have to travel to become law.

Love or hate Ryan, Karen and I both thought about how nice it would be to have a president who actually understood the mechanisms of government.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
In the car yesterday, we listened to Paul Ryan speaking about the path the Republican Obamacare bill will have to travel to become law.

Love or hate Ryan, Karen and I both thought about how nice it would be to have a president who actually understood the mechanisms of government.
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I would settle for a President who is more likely to tell the truth than lie at any given day.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
In the car yesterday, we listened to Paul Ryan speaking about the path the Republican Obamacare replacement bill will have to travel to become law.

Love or hate Ryan, Karen and I both thought about how nice it would be to have a president who actually understood the mechanisms of government.
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I don't particularly like Ryan, nor do I think he has many (if any) good policy ideas, but he strikes me as a competent person. I would never vote for him, but I wouldn't blame people who would, like I do with Trump voters.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
To be fair, I could say similar things about Hillary or Joe Biden.

Competency would be nice regardless of party.
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Competency is all relative. W now looks positively presidential.


If Trump can obtain even half the gravitas of Bush then the popular report will be 'look how Presidential he's become' despite the fact that this will only be in comparison to his earlier self.

He's lowering standards for world leaders everywhere!
 
Emily's Cat said:
Exactly what proof do you have that they are a significant portion? Can you give me a list of their names? Can you give me a list of all the other supporters, so as to prove that they actually compromise a significant amount?

On what actual data and information do you base your opinion?
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Their own words.
 
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