Cont: President Trump: Part 3

[Belz...]

Because it's extraordinarily unlikely that there's something specifically "blackish" that makes black people prefer different careers.

It's irrelevant: the question is whether, in your hypothetical, black people as a general rule make this choice and whether this affects their outcomes.

It's much more likely that there's a social pressure and bias that makes them perceive certain careers as ones in which they, as a black person, are more likely to be successful against their white counterparts.

You seem to always conclude that it's social pressure. You do know that people are responsible for their own choices, right?

 

[NoahFence]

It seems perfectly obvious. Campaigning is the only part of the job where he feels comfortable. His health care bill is unraveling. No one can find a senior campaign aid who wasn't wearing a Russian collar and leash. KAC went from being an attack dog to the butt of cruel jokes. He had to fire his National Sevurity Advisor. A judge put a stay on his executive order. He is drowning in the swamp he came to drain. He's going back to the part of the job he can do, campaigning for it.

It's fun watching him suffer like this.

He can't campaign for 4 years.

 

[Stacko]

He can't campaign for 4 years.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

He's actually campaigning 2 months into his administration.
What in the actual ****?

One trick pony. You should not be surprised.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

He can't campaign for 4 years.

Sure he can. Unless he's impeached.

 

[Craig4]

He can't campaign for 4 years.

When the factories don't start hiring, the coal mines don't come back and Mexico never sends a check for the wall, the crowds will stop coming. It's a coping strategy that can't work in the long run.

Eventually, he will drown in the swamp he came to drain.

 

[quadraginta]

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2) Offending an actual racist is a direct and personal thing. If you know a person that is actually a racist, by all means tear into them. Don't tear into an unspecified and monolithically vague group of unnamed people that you're assuming are racists.

Nothing was assumed. Some significant proportion of Trump supporters are demonstrably racists and/or bigots. This is because they have themselves demonstrated their racism. From the onset of his candidacy Trump has been the fair-haired poster-boy for racists both in groups and individually. And those people have not been shy about saying so.

Hillary's comment let people self-select. The ones who know they are racist (or bigoted) know that the comment was directed toward them.

The ones that know they are not know that it wasn't.

The ones who are uncertain probably need to contemplate their beliefs and behavior.

If they are that unsure then they probably have reason to be.

 

[TofuFighter]

There is nothing striking at all about when someone is buying an 80% stake in a property that they also will endup with 80% of the debt. This happens all of the time.

Sure... but 666 Fifth Avenue? Plz don't act as if the devil is not in the details.

 

[SezMe]

Speaking of the al-right, here are Bannon's sources of inspiration:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/14/how_is_steve_bannon_getting_away_with_this.html

That guy looks like the Pillsbury Dough Boy^TM with a bad hangover.

 

[a_unique_person]

What schedule?

What wall?

 

[wareyin]

He's actually campaigning 2 months into his administration.
What in the actual ****?

Wasn't his very first golf weekend (also known as his first weekend as President) paid for in part by his 2020 campaign?

 

[The Don]

It seems perfectly obvious. Campaigning is the only part of the job where he feels comfortable. His health care bill is unraveling. No one can find a senior campaign aid who wasn't wearing a Russian collar and leash. KAC went from being an attack dog to the butt of cruel jokes. He had to fire his National Sevurity Advisor. A judge put a stay on his executive order. He is drowning in the swamp he came to drain. He's going back to the part of the job he can do, campaigning for it.

It's fun watching him suffer like this.

Except that I don't think he is suffering.

His approval among GOP supporters was at 89% and rising according to a recent poll and as a consequence prominent GOP representatives cannot take a stand against him. He is successfully distancing himself from the ACA replacement - that's now Paul Ryan's proposal. He has managed to stop criticism into Jeff Sessions by manufacturing a claim that Trump Towers was being bugged - a claim that IMO the GOP will use to go on a fishing expedition and IMO he's not drowning in the swamp whatsoever, indeed, he's revelling in its enhanced "swampiness".

Sure a "normal" politician would be suffering but Trump isn't a normal politician. A normal politician would be embarrassed and ashamed at being caught out in so many lies and feel a sense of failure that so many of their banner policies have stalled, Trump simply doesn't care about the lies and is happy to lay blame for the lack of progress at the feet of other people.

 

[alfaniner]

I made it about nine seconds... really.

Same here, only I jumped in right before the "Obamacare is a disaster!" line. Then right back out again.

It's as if he's a comic working on a routine, honing every line so it gets the most applause from his supporters.

I'm always amused (bemused) when he reads the statute about the President being able to do whatever the hell he wants (regarding an immigration ban), and he gets to the part where it says "He may..". He always interjects his little blurb "It should say 'he or she may'", ostensibly as an effort at being politically correct, but most likely as a dig at Hillary.

 

[newyorkguy]

...It's as if he's a comic working on a routine, honing every line so it gets the most applause from his supporters...

Others have pointed that out, Trump's model seems to be a standup comic. The writer Emily Nussbaum wrote about that, comparing Trump to a 1950s TV comic from the Ed Sullivan Show. His cadence, the gesturing, the pauses to let the audience react, the throwaway lines: "Buh-lieve me folks, okay, buh-lieve me." And he gets a reaction similar to a comic; as soon as he mentioned Obamacare at his appearance before Congress (Live! One Night Only!) the audience hooted and howled.

It reminded me of the audience reaction on The Tonight Show when Rodney Dangerfield would say into the mike, "But you know what my real problem is folks?" They knew what was coming and they knew they were going to love it!

Buh-lieve me folks.

 

[dudalb]

He's actually campaigning 2 months into his administration.
What in the actual ****?

Hey, Campaigning is a lot more fun then actually governing......

 

[Emily's Cat]

Yes, you did.

No I didn't.

We both know that there were more questions on race than that one. Do you think no one will notice if you cherry pick one question to make it seem like there were fewer racists than the poll you provided showed?

Let's see... you dodged the question that I asked. Completely dodged it, as in didn't even bother to pretend you were addressing the content in any way. Instead you want to focus on the fact that I didn't specifically address the other two questions asked that had lower than 50% outcomes? Gee... if you took all of that in aggregate, wouldn't that mean that a much lower percentage than 50% hold some negative assumption about black people?

And let me go ahead and call you the pot here. You want to jump on me for cherry picking, while you continue to insist that the fact that 1/3 of Clinton supporters held the exact same view somehow is of no import and can just be ignored

So how about we try this again: Do you feel that holding any negative stereotype about black people makes a person a racist?

There's that word that you know is untrue, yet again. When someone directly says that racists are deplorable, they aren't tearing into people that aren't racists. How can you not get this?

Because half of Trump's supporters probably aren't RACISTS. That's a hyperbolized insult tossed at people who hold a negative stereotype about black people - one that is pretty common unless you've actually dug in to how our justice system works. And also the exact same view that ONE THIRD of Clinton's supporters ALSO HOLD.

That's why it's an assumption. It isn't untrue. Just because you agree with that assumption doesn't make that assumption fact.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Nothing was assumed. Some significant proportion of Trump supporters are demonstrably racists and/or bigots. This is because they have themselves demonstrated their racism.

Exactly what proof do you have that they are a significant portion? Can you give me a list of their names? Can you give me a list of all the other supporters, so as to prove that they actually compromise a significant amount?

On what actual data and information do you base your opinion?

 

[TragicMonkey]

Because half of Trump's supporters probably aren't RACISTS. That's a hyperbolized insult tossed at people who hold a negative stereotype about black people

Holding a negative stereotype about people because of their race is racist, yes. Did you think it wasn't?

 

[Trebuchet]

He can't campaign for 4 years.

Sure he can. Unless he's impeached.

That won't stop him. He'll be holding campaign rallies for the rest of his life. It's all he lives for.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That won't stop him. He'll be holding campaign rallies for the rest of his life. It's all he lives for.

Yeah, no doubt, as long as the news media keeps immortalizing his every word anyway.