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Massive Wave of Hate Crimes against minorities follows Trump election.


from the link:

Because of the nature of his confession, officers say Nazzal will not be charged with a hate crime or ethnic intimidation.

Btw, what specific sort of racist interaction do you believe this to be? Is it reasonably considered racist if it's one middle eastern person acting against another middle eastern person?
 
When are you going to provide evidence that it was idiots from the right? If you haven't noticed, there is no evidence as to who did it as of now. There have been plenty of hoaxes and in this political climate a hoax is as good as having a Trump supported doing it as the mainstream media does little in the way of follow up.


That's exactly my point. Before the left and the media (but I repeat myself) started pushing the meme that the alt-right is all Republicans, any of these attacks could be be assumed to be some far left BDS bigots. Which is why I said that it's so important for the conservative right to distance itself from the alt-right movement that's bringing the tactics and some of the beliefs of the far left in their quest to try to replace the traditional conservative right.
 
I think Anti Semitism from the right is more immideately dangerous because it is more violent.


I already posted a response to this, which I stand by, but upon further reflection I've kind of rethought my answer.

Let me start by rephrasing my original question. Which is more dangerous, when a small group of bigots get together, get drunk and go out and push over some gravestones? Or when a mainstream, well organized and well funded group that has thousands of members attacks the very notion of a Jewish homeland, arguing that such a homeland is a danger to "World Peace and Security"?

I'm not defending the idiot bigots that go and vandalize property or phone in phony bomb threats, assuming for the sake of argument that's what it turns out to be. They should be tracked down, charged, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

But I would argue that no matter how bad the first group is, or how much damage they cause, they are less of an existential threat to the Jewish people than a group who chants "Palestine will be (Juden)-free, from the river to the sea!" at their rallies and argues against the very existence of a Jewish homeland.

Now, if the alt-right (again, assuming for the sake of argument that's who it was) succeeds in replacing the traditional conservative right and actually gets organized and funded it could turn out to be just as bad as the BDS movement, but for right now that's not the case.
 
That's exactly my point. Before the left and the media (but I repeat myself) started pushing the meme that the alt-right is all Republicans, any of these attacks could be be assumed to be some far left BDS bigots. Which is why I said that it's so important for the conservative right to distance itself from the alt-right movement that's bringing the tactics and some of the beliefs of the far left in their quest to try to replace the traditional conservative right.

Got it!
 
Death by anecdote is the real danger here

And the agencies reporting a rise are of course only anecdotes as well.

Next up we will be thinking that killing trans people in mississippi can possibly ever be counted in this when they are explicitly not covered by hate crime laws in that state. So no matter why the two transwomen were murdered earlier this week it can't be a hate crime.
 
Massive Wave of Hate Crimes against minorities follows Trump election.

We have established that that particular rise began before Trump's election. Therefore, according to theprestige, it is fake. Let's just do the good "skeptic" thing and assume (bigly) that the increase came to a dead halt as soon as Trump was inaugurated (because Trump would never inspire xenophobia, amirite?). This way, we can call the 67% increase in hate crimes "fake", and dismiss them.
 
More things that are not happening

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/indiana/articles/2017-02-28/apparent-gunshot-fired-into-evansville-synagogue

It was clearly a friendly shot fired into the jewish school.

And the agencies reporting a rise are of course only anecdotes as well.

Next up we will be thinking that killing trans people in mississippi can possibly ever be counted in this when they are explicitly not covered by hate crime laws in that state. So no matter why the two transwomen were murdered earlier this week it can't be a hate crime.

Am i the only one who thinks there is nothing more off-putting than an "argument' that is nothing more than a smug, sarcastic statement?

the two quotes above are great examples.
 
We have established that that particular rise began before Trump's election. Therefore, according to theprestige, it is fake.
It's false, bogus, dishonest, misleading, in a word, fake, to cite events that happened in 2015 in support of a claim that there was a sudden increase in events in 2016. The reality of the events themselves in no way rehabilitates the fakery of your citing them.

Let's just do the good "skeptic" thing and assume (bigly) that the increase came to a dead halt as soon as Trump was inaugurated (because Trump would never inspire xenophobia, amirite?).
A gradual rise over a year or more is not the same as a sudden increase over a few weeks. That's the only assumption we need to make, when evaluating your cite in the context of this thread.

Would Trump inspire xenophobia? That seems to be the question raised in this thread. Trump-inspired xenophobia seems to be the question that a lot of people in this thread--including the OP are trying desperately to beg. Stop conflating different data sets from different time ranges.

This way, we can call the 67% increase in hate crimes "fake", and dismiss them.
67% increase over what time period?
 
It's false, bogus, dishonest, misleading, in a word, fake, to cite events that happened in 2015 in support of a claim that there was a sudden increase in events in 2016. The reality of the events themselves in no way rehabilitates the fakery of your citing them.


A gradual rise over a year or more is not the same as a sudden increase over a few weeks. That's the only assumption we need to make, when evaluating your cite in the context of this thread.

Would Trump inspire xenophobia? That seems to be the question raised in this thread. Trump-inspired xenophobia seems to be the question that a lot of people in this thread--including the OP are trying desperately to beg. Stop conflating different data sets from different time ranges.


67% increase over what time period?
Have you had time to look at the other two posts I brought to your attention, or are you going to "skeptically" stop at the first one because you found an excuse to handwave it away?
 
Btw, what specific sort of racist interaction do you believe this to be? Is it reasonably considered racist if it's one middle eastern person acting against another middle eastern person?

It would depend on why he did it to that person. If it was designed to bring anger or resentment or suspicion against whites, then I would say it is a racist hate crime.
 
It's false, bogus, dishonest, misleading, in a word, fake, to cite events that happened in 2015 in support of a claim that there was a sudden increase in events in 2016. The reality of the events themselves in no way rehabilitates the fakery of your citing them.


A gradual rise over a year or more is not the same as a sudden increase over a few weeks. That's the only assumption we need to make, when evaluating your cite in the context of this thread.

Would Trump inspire xenophobia? That seems to be the question raised in this thread. Trump-inspired xenophobia seems to be the question that a lot of people in this thread--including the OP are trying desperately to beg. Stop conflating different data sets from different time ranges.


67% increase over what time period?

Sorry, but the recent increase in Anti Semitic incidents is pretty undeniable.
 

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