Major GOPer Issa calls for Special Prosecutor!!!!!

[jeffas69]

I'm not clear on your question. Are you saying Flynn's dodgy claim that "maybe the sanctions were mentioned" was credible?

Of course not, the comment was facetious.

Sorry. For clarification when I asked "what was this supposed to insinuate" I was talking about your quote pointing out the resignation. Which you now say was facetious after Bob first saidto you how it was not evidence of anything. The fact that the comment came right after you said there was more than zero evidence lead us both to believe you were going to show this more than zero evidence in your next sentence.

It seems to me that you were "just being facetious" is a rather dodgy claim.

 

[BobTheCoward]

A pedant is one concerned with rules or minor details. That's not what you are doing. You are backpedalling in between the straw men.

From your posts I think it's safe to say, you don't even know what my argument is. You aren't reading anyone's arguments, you are just finding ways to dodge and backpedal around the discussion.

That is fair. What would you like me to do.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sorry. For clarification when I asked "what was this supposed to insinuate" I was talking about your quote pointing out the resignation. Which you now say was facetious after Bob first saidto you how it was not evidence of anything. The fact that the comment came right after you said there was more than zero evidence lead us both to believe you were going to show this more than zero evidence in your next sentence.

It seems to me that you were "just being facetious" is a rather dodgy claim.

I still don't follow you.

Flynn's resignation given the circumstances, like it or not, was an admission the NSA has some incriminating evidence about the Russia collusion.

The comment, he didn't resign to spend time with his family, was a joke. Everyone in politics 'asked' to resign or who wants no more to do with the job says the reason is to spend more time with the family.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That is fair. What would you like me to do.

Stop digging your hole deeper. Give it a rest and wait to see how things develop. It's going to be a while, here have some popcorn.

 

[jeffas69]

I still don't follow you.

Flynn's resignation given the circumstances, like it or not, was an admission the NSA has some incriminating evidence about the Russia collusion.

The comment, he didn't resign to spend time with his family, was a joke. Everyone in politics 'asked' to resign or who wants no more to do with the job says the reason is to spend more time with the family.

Where is the evidence for this?

 

[fuelair]

That most of the ones who stay newsworthy after they leave the office - even showing up in a related job a few months or so later- do so makes it very likely - and a goodly number do. (no, I do not have a list but it is searchable for anyone who gives a crap!!!!!)

 

[plague311]

Independent of anything going on in the world, imagine we are in a federal law enforcement class testing the boundaries of the law, considering the lax conditions on an assessment, are there any minimum standards besides authorized purpose? Could the d.a. draw a name out of a hat for a general inquiry into their finances looking for fraud?

Your constant comparisons to a situation where insert_authority_figure_here just randomly picks a person is disingenuous, and I'm being extremely kind so as to not violate the rules.

Investigating Trump wouldn't just be some random selection of a human. They've found ties to Russia, they've found his people communicating with Russia. One in such a way he lied about it to the VP, and then resigned over it. Since you're so keen on making **** up, how about this for a scenario? A cop talks to a drug dealer about getting him a lesser charge if he gets busted. The cop then finds out his microphone was on, and people over heard him. Before that recording comes out, he lies to his commanding officer about speaking with the drug dealer. The supervising officer then tells his boss the made up story, and repeats it to the American public, even AFTER he's informed of the recording and hears it. Should the original officer be investigated more? If you were higher up on the food chain, would you investigate the superior officer too? After all, you're not sure if the SO lied or not, but you have reason to think the SO may have. After all, it's come out that the SO knew about the recording, heard, and repeated his ******** anyway.

I also have no problem with submitting the admin to an assessment. If I understand the tone of this thread, people want DoJ subpoena power.

The more I keep talking about it, the more I'm starting to agree with them.

That doesn't kick in until preliminary investigation. In that case, we are debating "“Information or an allegation” about a national security threat or possible criminal activity."

Which special prosecutors by their very *********** definition are hired to do. Again, since you seem to have missed it, the definition:

A special prosecutor generally is a lawyer from outside the government appointed by an attorney general or, in the United States, by Congress to investigate a government official for misconduct while in office.

It doesn't say **** all about minimum standards, or any of the stuff you're making up. I'm not even sure why people pander to your constant misrepresentation of the process. It baffles me.

Then I have a bunch of questions about the minimum standard of information or an allegation. How credible can it be?

You made up a scenario and for the life of you, you can't figure out how it's not credible? Why....you don't say?

 

[Stacko]

The Attorney General of the United States lied to Congress, under oath, about his communications with a foreign government.

Then-Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) spoke twice last year with Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Justice Department officials said, encounters he did not disclose when asked about possible contacts between members of President Trump’s campaign and representatives of Moscow during Sessions’s confirmation hearing to become attorney general.

One of the meetings was a private conversation between Sessions and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak that took place in September in the senator’s office, at the height of what U.S. intelligence officials say was a Russian cyber campaign to upend the U.S. presidential race.

The previously undisclosed discussions could fuel new congressional calls for the appointment of a special counsel to investigate Russia’s alleged role in the 2016 presidential election. As attorney general, Sessions oversees the Justice Department and the FBI, which have been leading investigations into Russian meddling and any links to Trump’s associates. He has so far resisted calls to recuse himself.

Here's the video of Sessions denying **under oath** that he had communications with the Russians.​

The money quote from Sessions, "I did not have communications with the Russians." He knowingly perjured himself. This is at minimum grounds for recusal and appointment of a special prosecutor.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Where is the evidence for this?

He resigned. What's your alt-explanation?

 

[jeffas69]

He resigned. What's your alt-explanation?

The administration already gave one. It is your claim and your burden.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The administration already gave one. It is your claim and your burden.

Flynn lied to Pence, had communication with the Russian ambassador that was more than routine and he resigned.

You want to buy the coverup, feel free. We are moving on the latest: Sessions also had contact with the Russian ambassador and lied in his confirmation hearings about that contact.

Stay tuned but you really should give up this nonsense Flynn's resignation was not anything serious. You are about to be burned on that nonsense.

 

[angrysoba]

Wow! Sessions now also met with the Russians. And lied.

Trump will have to fire him, but how many more will go?

I don't know if the GOP are going to finally get their arses into gear on this but I expect them only to fret about what this might mean for their own poll numbers.

Remember Trump's immortal words, "You're the puppet!"

 

[Jim_MDP]

On Monday, Maddow had a segment on the business and social connections over the past decade or slightly more between Russia and members of Trump's circle, including admin staff and appointed positions... it was a loooong segment.

Actually... it was rather stunning.

I'm too young to have lived through "duck & cover", but not by much... and I've never seen anything like this.

 

[BobTheCoward]

On Monday, Maddow had a segment on the business and social connections over the past decade or slightly more between Russia and members of Trump's circle, including admin staff and appointed positions... it was a loooong segment.

Actually... it was rather stunning.

I'm too young to have lived through "duck & cover", but not by much... and I've never seen anything like this.

How much is it above an equivalent replacement? For example, if the nominee was a Koch brother (generic rich Republican) how many connections do they have to Russia?

 

[BobTheCoward]

I think Sessions skates. The question was pretty generic. He never called himself a member of the campaign, only a surrogate.

 

[angrysoba]

I think Sessions skates. The question was pretty generic. He never called himself a member of the campaign, only a surrogate.

He called himself a surrogate and said he didn't have contact with the Russians. Liar liar, pants on fire!

 

[BobTheCoward]

He called himself a surrogate and said he didn't have contact with the Russians. Liar liar, pants on fire!

No. He says he has been called a surrogate a time or two. Easily explained away as,"I can't answer because the idea of affiliation is so broad. I have been called an affiliate only rarely even though it doesn't make sense."

 

[Jim_MDP]

How much is it above an equivalent replacement? For example, if the nominee was a Koch brother (generic rich Republican) how many connections do they have to Russia?

I couldn't say... but there are surely many who steer their business to anywhere but Russia. Or at least keep it more on the up and up.


With Trump though, it gets to multiple extremely favorable (read: profitable) deals made by Russia with many within the Trump sphere... I'm not even talking about the blackmail/leverage material (whatever may exist), just the shared kleptocracy over a decade.

Trump himself got a $40 Million payoff, just when he needed a cash influx, on a property deal to one of Putin's guys. Buy for $20M, sell a few months later for $60M... buyer may have never set foot in the house.

I couldn't keep the cast of characters straight, it just went on and on.
I'm not sure who, high up in this admin, doesn't owe Putin "bigly".
Much of it, while shady or at least dodgy, would still be legal. And simply theft business by businessmen (for the most part).
It becomes disconcerting though when so many turn up in power positions within one administration.
Putin never, ever, forgets who owes him.

I had hoped for more, and a follow up, but the speech last night and dissection tonight meant her show has been pre-empted twice.
Maybe tomorrow.

 

[angrysoba]

No. He says he has been called a surrogate a time or two. Easily explained away as,"I can't answer because the idea of affiliation is so broad. I have been called an affiliate only rarely even though it doesn't make sense."

Regardless of what role he played he denied meeting with the Russians. Now they are trying to reframe it as having not met in relation to the campaign. He's moved the goalposts.

 

[Hercules56]

Damn, Trump just can't catch a break!!!