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Why I will never regret voting for Donald Trump

mgidm86 said:
And then you say this:



What is best for the country is for him to do a good job, period. Not a little, or just enough so he can still look bad to you. How could that even work? Gawd forbid you were wrong! What a stupid attitude.
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I'm not seeing the contradiction in those positions. They seem pretty consistent to me.
 
MrFliop said:
Just think about it. The 2020 election will make this one seem boring. It will be the ultimate Republican vs the ultimate Democrat. It would be like JFK vs Ronald Reagan.
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Maybe if you think Ronald Reagan is the ultimate Republican. I don't. A Teddy Roosevelt style progressive conservative would make a far more interesting race.
 
The Shrike said:
I'm all for streamlining government bureaucracy, but wholesale dismantling/neutering of agencies is bad news.
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Depends on what you want. Those of us who want to destroy the Federal Government think it's great.

MrFliop said:
I, a voter from a swing state, voted for Donald Trump
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On behalf of those of us who hate America, I thank you for your sacrifice.

The 2020 election will make this one seem boring.
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Hopefully there will be lots of protests, overt voter suppression and election fraud, opponents dying in suspicious circumstances, riots incited by republicans and foreign powers, and mass incarceration of liberals. This will lead to all-out civil war, which Trump will end by nuking the blue states. With the US now out of the way, Russia and China will start sizing each other up...
 
theprestige said:
#ThatsHowYouGetNevilleChamberlain

Sometimes going with the guy who will get less people killed is what ends up getting more people killed.
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That makes no sense at all, Chamberlain according to you wasn't the one to get less people killed so he wouldn't have been the one to go for.
 
He's a great (or maybe the greatest?) stress test of American rule of law and political stability.

We'll see how low his approval rating can go before even his nominal allies and fellow party members feel they have to act against him just to save their own skin.
 
Congress has been chugging along with an approval rating slightly lower then getting slapped in the face with your own dead dog while your worst enemy makes sweet love to your girl on the casket at your mother's funeral for some time now. I'm interested to see how low approval rating is going to functionally hurt the President on a practical level.
 
As the spectre of a Trump win loomed ever larger, one word kept going around in my shell shocked brain.

Nihilism.

And the OP only adds that extra bit of confirmation.
 
When it comes to Trump's personality, I trust the word of his biographers and ghostwriters: they spend more time than any outsider with him.
 
JoeBentley said:
Congress has been chugging along with an approval rating slightly lower then getting slapped in the face with your own dead dog while your worst enemy makes sweet love to your girl on the casket at your mother's funeral for some time now. I'm interested to see how low approval rating is going to functionally hurt the President on a practical level.
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People hate congress not their congressman.
 
mgidm86 said:
JoeBentley said:
There's a lot of political arguments or desires out there that, when you get right down to it, boil down to "I want the 'Other side' to screw up so bad that 'my side' finally gets everything it wants."

I've always found these rather distasteful. I did not vote for Trump. I did not want him to be our President. But I don't want the whole system do fail just so I can feel smug about "the other side" failing.
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And then you say this:

I want Donald Trump to fail politically. ("Fail" isn't exactly the term, but it's close.) But I want it to happen in a way that doesn't hurt the country. I still want him to succeed to a certain degree as President, because that's what's best for the country.
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What is best for the country is for him to do a good job, period. Not a little, or just enough so he can still look bad to you. How could that even work? Gawd forbid you were wrong! What a stupid attitude.
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There are plenty of ways where that could happen.

Party isn't country. He could fail to implement several of his more damaging decisions through ineptitude, and the US continues more or less as it is.
 
seayakin said:
I'm going to turn this around. I didn't vote for Trump but I might be willing to change my views if in four years we have:

  • 99% of Americans have affordable health care options
  • Middle class and poor have job opportunities and real incomes are increasing
  • We have clean waters and clean air and half of Florida is not under water
  • We are not embroiled in any major war and we have friendly relations with the world
  • Progress on reducing the national debt
  • We can be confident the government is working for us not for an elite few who influence politicians.

I don't have high hopes.
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I didn't vote for Mr. Orange Marmalade either but, I once stated that I would vote for anyone who promises to raise taxes, so Bernie would have gotten my vote had he made it.

So, some sort of tax reform where the corporate tax rate is greatly reduced, but made up in some other areas. I think a reduced corporate rate and a balanced budget would help 2 of your bullet points.


Edited to add, if he doubles my 401K/IRA, then he gets my vote.
 
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Mumbles said:
No, he was not. I'll give that Sanders did relatively well. However, he did not reach out to the dem's base. It's as simple as that.
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No, Sanders didn't do that well. Remember it was a two horse race. His numbers were inflated due to the Caucuses where those who have the most rabid supporters who are willing to drop their lives to go to the Caucus tend to do a lot better than their true support would indicate. When you look at the Primaries which allows everyone to vote by mail or ballot throughout the day rather than having to turn up as a certain time and place, you'll see that his support was not really that high. When it come to closed primaries it was clear to see that he had extremely little support from the party membership.

The only close primary he won in the US was Oregon, and the average points difference for them was 17.2

Sanders won the Caucuses 12 to 5

Clinton won the Primaries 28 to 11

Clinton also convincingly won the Washington Primary despite losing the Caucus there.

Sanders wasn't just down by nearly 350 pledged delegates at the end, but also 3.7 million votes, 12.2% of the total vote!

Compare with 2008 where there was just 62 pledged delegates difference and Obama had just 90,856 more votes than Clinton just 0.26% of the total number of votes.

Had this been a pre-2012 year where California was held on Super Tuesday, the race would have been over in March, but due to it being held so late the Sanders camp just couldn't give up the dream of a big win there that would put them back in the game. It was never going to happen.
 
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Darat said:
That makes no sense at all, Chamberlain according to you wasn't the one to get less people killed so he wouldn't have been the one to go for.
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Its also historically inaccurate - Chamberlain didn't get more people killed.
 
I wonder how many of those that "hate campaign seasons" are all excited because Trump has started his 2020 campaign already.
 
Strawberry said:
Its also historically inaccurate - Chamberlain didn't get more people killed.
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That may be true in an alternate universe, but not the post-fact one we live in.

You see, in this universe a thing is true if you want it to be, and false if you don't - unless you're a liberal, in which case everything you believe in is false by definition.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
That may be true in an alternate universe, but not the post-fact one we live in.

You see, in this universe a thing is true if you want it to be, and false if you don't - unless you're a liberal, in which case everything you believe in is false by definition.
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And, by liberal you mean anyone not a Trump supporter.
 
mgidm86 said:
And then you say this:



What is best for the country is for him to do a good job, period. Not a little, or just enough so he can still look bad to you. How could that even work? Gawd forbid you were wrong! What a stupid attitude.
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How many republican were moaning and hoping Obama did a bad job, and yet tried to find all excuse possible to say he did a bad job even if it was stuff Bush signed off on ?

Gawd forbid the other side do it now, that would be petty.


On the other hand you can't play in mud and then ask with a straight face to be clean.
 
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