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[paiute]

Chemists the world over are not attuned to what is going on in the the 'fringe'. Generally, they're just plodding along in their sphere of speciality.

Back in the day it was not so uncommon to have gifted scientists whose work spanned several fields. Today, not so much. Mills is a bit of a throw back to those times; a renaissance man.

Horse crap. I have been in chemistry, academic and industrial, for several decades. Chemist are not just "plodding along". They are constantly casting about for the next big thing. Something that breaks the accepted views. Busting convention is how you get published, how you get grants, how you spin off small industries and potentially make some cash.

You are correct that chemists nowadays have to be specialized. The depth of information in any particular chemical specialty is much much deeper than "back in the day". These days I see more collaborations. Groups of chemists will get together to work on an idea. They might invite engineers, biologists and other specialists to join the cause.

I have been reading about this Mills fellow for many years. It's always good for a laugh. I worked for a long time with isotopes of hydrogen, and the possibility that this element has the properties that Mills hypothesizes for it are nil.

 

[markie]

Thanks.

What other substances - forms of matter - do you know of which are similar to hydrinos in this regard?

I can't think of any (maybe it's too late).

This for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Förster_resonance_energy_transfer

 

[markie]

Horse crap. I have been in chemistry, academic and industrial, for several decades. Chemist are not just "plodding along". They are constantly casting about for the next big thing. Something that breaks the accepted views. Busting convention is how you get published, how you get grants, how you spin off small industries and potentially make some cash.

You are correct that chemists nowadays have to be specialized. The depth of information in any particular chemical specialty is much much deeper than "back in the day". These days I see more collaborations. Groups of chemists will get together to work on an idea. They might invite engineers, biologists and other specialists to join the cause.

I have been reading about this Mills fellow for many years. It's always good for a laugh. I worked for a long time with isotopes of hydrogen, and the possibility that this element has the properties that Mills hypothesizes for it are nil.

Oh, I think that most chemists do plod along. There are exceptions of course from the more brilliant minds, who are more often in places where they have the opportunity to make more revolutionary advances.
You make a good point about collaborations.
Your work with isotopes of hydrogen apparently gives you assurance that hydrino cannot exist. Feel free to share the specifics about this if you wish.

 

[Hans]

Originally Posted by Markie
I could get into specifics of what was the downfall of previous devices, but perhaps for another post.

Well I think its time for 'another post'?

You aren't doing very well in trying to shield Mills' fraud from people who can see it for what it is. Shouldn't you be trying harder? You know like with evidence that his stuff works? lol

 

[Hans]

Yes that it what they say but they have said that before:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9768784&postcount=60

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2009/01/blacklight-power-has-signed-second.html


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Markie what happened to this contract?

 

[gabeygoat]

The formation of hydrino is detectable when it is formed, based on a characteristic light signature. But after that it is hard to detect, even in the lab. You have to know what to look for, and therefore how to look for it. Mills has done that.

No, he hasn't

 

[Aepervius]

I don't know what you characterize as 'objective'.
If by verifiable you mean repeatable by third parties, well that's the problem. Mills is largely ignored. I vaguely recall an independent person trying to replicate one of Mill's experiments, without success, but that's about it. At least he tried.

He is ignored because he is a scam artist, has all the signal of a scam, does not have anything published which can be verified by independent third party, has obvious errors in his theory article (i know of only one about hydrino theory) as mentioned up thread, and none of the theory mentioned works with Rydberg lines, even for H atoms.

Basically in what Mills produced (and the other guy from which the name escape me with his ridiculous deformed spherical electron orbitals) there is no science whatsoever.

If he REALLY had something, he would have long published a proper way to generate such "hydrino" in a consistent manner. But he does not, because hey he pretend he has to protect his IP and is near getting a generator done and wait for a few more month and so forth. Typical of scam artist.

See, this is why you will never find for us an article properly detailing the way hydrino are made.

And after decades of the same scam.... People still "invest". They see some glowy sutff ,, maybe some plasma, are wooed, make no due diligence, and lose their money to that scam pit.

 

[Aepervius]

The hydrinos would not require venting. They would easily permeate through just about anything. Then like any light gas they rise up into the upper atmosphere.

Then you have no way to characterize them contrary to what you pretended up thread.
And that belie the "form dihydrino compound" or "form exotic compound with H and hydrino"

There is a reason we need huge detector to hope to catch interaction of WIMP, or very specialized detector cooled to micro kelvin in hard to reach area like deep mines. And even those can take long time between detected interaction and require careful calculation to exclude , say, neutron going through the detector being detected as a candidate.

But you probably were not aware of that.

 

[Aepervius]

I misspoke when I said hydrinos can permeate through just about anything. I had in my mind relatively thin walls or containers. Sorry about that. Just like helium or hydrogen gas will rise up into the upper atmosphere, so will hydrino.

In other word you step backward when you realize that you have said something which is obviously wrong and change the claim.

Are you just defending a probably lost investment ?

 

[Aepervius]

No, hydrino is not ionized by mere UV. Hydrino does not absorb photons. However a collision with a high energy particle like a cosmic ray would knock the electron out.

None of the theory mills advanced would explain why a photon would not be absorbed, while another proton or electron would interact. In fact the pretense that upthread that he could detect hydrino by their spectrum, belie that statement of yours.

e.g. sees R. L. Mills and P. Ray, \Spectral emission of fractional quantum energy levels of atomic
hydrogen from a helium-hydrogen plasma and the implications for dark matter," Int. J.
Hydrogen Energy 27 (2002) 301

Now you are really pulling stuff at random.

 

[Aepervius]

I only had time to read the quote from on the post itself, which was from the Phelps and Clementson article.

Chemists the world over are not attuned to what is going on in the the 'fringe'. Generally, they're just plodding along in their sphere of speciality.

Back in the day it was not so uncommon to have gifted scientists whose work spanned several fields. Today, not so much. Mills is a bit of a throw back to those times; a renaissance man.

I have done research in chemistry and quantum physic a while ago.

This is pure horse crap of somebody having no idea whatsoever what research entail.

We are always , ALWAYS searching for hitherto unknown part of QM of chemistry, because reporting an experiment which lead to know result only works if you report the result with better precision and there are few funding for that. We don't "plod" our specialty in fact even 20 years ago we actively sought other specialty to find possibly something which has not be found yet , by combining specialties. I spent more time on looking for new stuff and reading what other teams did than I spent researching for old crusty plodding. Plodding is what you do pre-doc, mostly learning the rope. Afterward you never really plow old known field, except to verify your own result against known data.

That is why we search in literature for the interesting stuff which is out of the way.
That is why also incidentally there were so many team jumping on cold fusion after the initial "discovery", and the immense disappointment when it turned out P&F cheated their results !

Note that fringe : can also mean "completely crackpot stuff without evidence" then even that you are wrong , that is why there is always so many scientist , at least in the initial push, of a scam. "just in case". Heck do you know how many of us were skeptic waiting patiently for Steorn ? Or watched the "jury" ?

You have no clue on what research entail.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Actually, come to think of it, forget Jupiter.
According to Mill's 'theory' Earth should not have water.

Sub-oceanic ridges provide both molten silver as a catalyst and abundant water and energy.
So all oceans should have been transformed to hydrino gas long ago.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

To expand on that last post, given the sheer energy released in Mill's experiments, suboceanic ridges should be one series of explosions, probably in the megaton equivalents.

So, why does this not happen?

 

[Darat]

What is this, hit with a flurry of punched approach? Very scattered. Field units I regard as still in the debugging phase and not ready for commercial sale. And yes BLP has made contracts with power companies. I have no idea what you are doing, going on about hairdryers and electric rangers and refrigerators.
To say I'm representing a fraud is the height of presumption. Please.

You seem to have agreed with the company that they've had working generators for decades, why have none of these ever been seen in the wild?

 

[Darat]

Sorry, I'm failing to understand why you say hydrino cannot be CDM.

Because it does not have any of the properties that CDM must have if CDM exists.

 

[Darat]

Oh, I think that most chemists do plod along. There are exceptions of course from the more brilliant minds, who are more often in places where they have the opportunity to make more revolutionary advances.
You make a good point about collaborations.
Your work with isotopes of hydrogen apparently gives you assurance that hydrino cannot exist. Feel free to share the specifics about this if you wish.

Good attempt at turning the burden of proof around, it is you that claims a new form of matter is being regularly created, it is up to you to prove that.

 

[Sideroxylon]

How hard would it be to prosecute a scientific entrepreneurial fraud case? Are corporate watch dogs too under resourced, especially to tackle the science claims?

 

[Myriad]

Good points. Don't forget neutrinos. Perhaps one hundred trillion stream through our bodies at any given second.

Yep. And since most of those neutrinos come from the sun, all life on earth has evolved within that constant stream. So we can be pretty sure it's not unduly harmful, and in any case there's no way to prevent it even if we found out it was.

Are you suggesting that the situation is similar for hydrinos? That there is an ambient cosmic hydrino flux here on earth's surface? In that case, what happens to Mills's claims to have produced hydrinos and to have detected the hydrinos thus produced?

Opening a window in daytime is not the same as inventing the light bulb.

Sure, there should be reasonable caution. If Mills and his long time coworkers or their children started suffering from a mysterious malady, I'd be concerned. As it is now, i'm not expecting any negative assessments.

Sure, it's not as if any mysterious malady has become vastly more prevalent in the decades since Mills claims to have started producing hydrino, right?

I'm not expecting any either, because there is no credible evidence hydrino exists. But if Mills's contraptions did produce it, and we'd know that without doubt the moment they started producing marketable net power, he'd need more than a few healthy accidentally exposed co-workers to prove their safety. Every living thing on earth is at stake. Heck, even inert matter is at stake. Effects small enough to be difficult to detect under lab conditions could still have massive global impacts on, for instance, geological or meteorological processes.

(The plot of the disaster movie 2012 is based on the premise of neutrinos suddenly starting to interact with earth's core and heating it up, causing massive volcanic eruptions and ultimately a global flood. That's physically implausible, and if it somehow did happen it would be outside of human cause or control. But change the script only slightly, replacing "neutrinos" with "hydrinos" and replacing the phrase "from the sun" with "from BLP power plants" and it becomes cautionary!)

 

[Aepervius]

How hard would it be to prosecute a scientific entrepreneurial fraud case? Are corporate watch dogs too under resourced, especially to tackle the science claims?

It is very hard baring one investor complaining. And very usually they do not do. See for example steorn.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Just to be clear, the power source is a couple (?) of common, commercial capacitors. They deliver very short bursts or pulses of power, in magnitude comparable to a hair drier. Most of that is current. Voltage is only 3V or thereabouts...

Given «those 3V or thereabouts», can you provide more details on those fabulous commercial capacitors that produce an output of something between 500 to 50,000 amperes* so they «deliver very short bursts or pulses of power, in magnitude comparable to a hair drier»? Are they superconductive or just plain electrolytic? Can you link their specifications? It's the external circuit superconductive too? How many of them are used? Because, you know, that seems to follow the scientific principles of tomfoolerology.

* It's difficult to model the equivalent resistance of those gizmos so they can produce such absurd short burst, especially when any external circuit would be so reluctant to get that pulse. While analysing its transient behaviour my pencil dropped from my hand. It's the laughs.