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[markie]

So why are you confident THIS time will be different from all the other pronouncements followed by nothing? How do you view the history of his making wild claims then nothing occurring?

A fair question. My confidence is tempered somewhat by the history of hydrino producing technology that for one reason or another, failed to made it to commercial production.

Mills has learned things along the way, except perhaps how to curb his optimism.
So his previous attempts were not in vain but steps to something better. I think he is a bit of a perfectionist. If in the end something he developed is not competitive in the marketplace with combustion technology, he'll drop it and pursue another path. To me the number of very different paths he has taken to get where he now is a lesson in perseverance.

I could get into specifics of what was the downfall of previous devices, but perhaps for another post. The SunCell seems to check off the boxes: high COP, high power density, recoverability of the catalyst, no oxidative degradation. But I harbour doubts that they won't have serious challenges 'closing the dome' and working with such high temperatures.

 

[JeanTate]

The dihydrino is captured in a matrix and tests performed. Also, hydrino hydride crystal like compounds have been analysed. But as far as I know there has been no pure, bulk dihydrino gas collected.

Why not?

 

[JeanTate]

A good point. First of all, Mills would say the vast majority of the hydrogen in the universe has turned into hydrino, aka the missing mass of the universe, aka dark matter. Secondly, hydrino is formed by contact with an appropriate catalyst. The conditions have to be right. Frankly, I'm skeptical that *all* the dark matter is hydrino.

If hydrino compounds have been produced, then hydrinos cannot possibly be CDM (cold dark matter). Ditto re "formed by contact with an appropriate catalyst".

If Mills makes this claim about hydrinos, with a straight face, we can be very confident that something is seriously wrong ...

 

[JeanTate]

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Mills was granted a patent on a hydrino based laser some years ago. I don't know the details on that.

If true, more concrete evidence that whatever hydrinos are, they are not CDM.

Seriously, you actually think there is such a patent? Details, please!

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I'm guesstimating a working prototype and field units in 2018

Hi Markie!

Pencil that out, please. It's only ten months to 2018. So you already have the prototype working range, the specific market (hair dryers in Fresno, electric ranges in California, or say British Columbia/Mexico or Paraguay electricity supply, lol.)

Really! You can't go to an investment bank without power contracts. This scam has alleged itself to be a power company. There's years of work getting a power contract into place, just lunacy to get people to buy into "field units" that are not designed for this byzantine market for power.

Large scale power, that is. At the household level we are talking generators. Something the Chinese can make for a couple hundred bucks.

and marketable products by 2022.

It is strangely coincident that this is just outside the statute of limitations on current fraud.

I have no position in the company, nor do I know anyone personally in the company. Just an observer in the peanut gallery.

No, you are a participant. Here. Representing this fraud. Not being uncharitably ad hom here. Just clear about your position, your active pursuit here of an argumentative position.

Specifically that despite a "field unit" of dark matter fueled electric power having never been produced... that it is imminent.

But it is clearly contradictory because that is what a field unit does: produce electricity. So it can be sold. Except that it can't be sold. For another four years. You can build the Alaska Highway in one year but one electric generator is going to take four.

Two Mexicans can make a refrigerator in a day for Maytag so I am just a tiny bit skeptical of what you are up to.

 

[JeanTate]

Mills has published multiple methods to find and measure hydrino properties. I could link to a site that has such experiments listed, but I don't know if I'm allowed to post links at this early stage.

As you now are, please do.

 

[JeanTate]

There is indeed background radiation of soft X-ray and UV. As far as I know this hasn't been 'solved' by any conventional explanation.

Really?

May I ask, what independent research did you undertake to check this?

Of course, Mills has his own explanation.

And what is it?

 

[JeanTate]

Catalysts of course can be very broadly defined. Even net exothermic reactions can require a 'catalyst' to happen at all. For instance, if I recall correctly even the simple exothermic reaction H + H -> H2 requires a third body to occur. And note that there is no photon given off; rather there is energy transfer to the third body. Somewhat analogous to the hydrino formation process; but in the case of the hydrino process the third body has to be able to receive only a distinct amount of energy, namely multiples of 27.2 eV.

If so, then once again, hydrinos cannot be CDM ...

 

[The Man]

It seemed, since you made the point that hydrino would be lighter than hydrogen, that I understood you would think it to be significantly lighter. if not, why did you make the point at all? Again, I assert that the hydrino is the same mass as hydrogen, less the energy of a photon. For all practical purposes they are the same mass.

Obviously you "understood" incorrectly and as I've said already at least a couple of times what the point was that hydrio for hydrogen gets you less mass not more.

Remember It was you who tried to make the point that "First of all, Mills would say the vast majority of the hydrogen in the universe has turned into hydrino, aka the missing mass of the universe, aka dark matter.". As I said when you first made that claim a lower hydrogen energy state gets you less mass not more mass. Where I also pointed out that dark matter is, well, dark, which means it doesn't couple to (or only very weakly) the electromagnetic force. So the points again, less mass not more and not "dark".

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

My confidence is tempered somewhat by the history of hydrino producing technology that for one reason or another, failed to made it to commercial production.

In high school debate class we were taught to do this: to pretend agreement with the opponent. As a disarming tactic.

Yes, we agree. Now let me contradict that by telling you exactly the same thing that has been said at every presentation in the last three decades.

The tactic of minimizing is being deployed at the same time. One reason or another? That's two. Not three decades of reasons.

It is such an interesting field class for us as skeptics. To see the various deceptions at work. Thank you.

 

[markie]

Really?

Evidence, in an objective, independently verifiable form?

I don't know what you characterize as 'objective'.
If by verifiable you mean repeatable by third parties, well that's the problem. Mills is largely ignored. I vaguely recall an independent person trying to replicate one of Mill's experiments, without success, but that's about it. At least he tried.

 

[markie]

Is it through the open at the top vents that the hydrinos leave the chamber? If not, where do they go (what becomes of them)?

The hydrinos would not require venting. They would easily permeate through just about anything. Then like any light gas they rise up into the upper atmosphere.

 

[markie]

I have read "the scientific papers" (well, the ones I could find, in the public domain).

May I ask, what scientific papers have you read? Which ones did you find particularly compelling?

I've read perhaps five or so, but over five years ago. Forgot which ones. I was impressed, but I'm not expertise enough to be compelled by them.

And you?

 

[markie]

Why not?

I don't know. Maybe it is too difficult and they have better things to do with their time?

 

[markie]

If hydrino compounds have been produced, then hydrinos cannot possibly be CDM (cold dark matter). Ditto re "formed by contact with an appropriate catalyst".

If Mills makes this claim about hydrinos, with a straight face, we can be very confident that something is seriously wrong ...

The dihydrino gas that Mills would say is dark matter is of course very different than the hydrino hydride compounds that have been made.

 

[markie]

If true, more concrete evidence that whatever hydrinos are, they are not CDM.

Seriously, you actually think there is such a patent? Details, please!

I just looked it up and see that it was 'withdrawn'. I don't know for what reason.

Here's the link, hopefully it works:

https://patents.google.com/patent/G...=Blacklight+Power,+Inc.&status=GRANT&sort=new

 

[The Man]

The dihydrino gas that Mills would say is dark matter is of course very different than the hydrino hydride compounds that have been made.

It's not the "dihydrino gas" nor the "hydrino hydride compounds" that have to be different but the hydrinos themselves. If they interact electromagnetically in any substantial manor (as in forming a "dihydrino gas" or "hydrino hydride compounds") then they aren't "dark".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_dark_matter

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

It's not difficult to fathom that any ignition energy is part of the input energy. Am I missing something here?

This takes practice: first agree to the point. In appearance.

Then brush it off with a pretend rhetorical question. Yes you are missing something, or trying to deflect attention from this being a fraud.

Watch me bend this spoon right in front of your eyes while telling you I am not bending it. Who ya gonna trust? Me, or your lying eyes? lol.

Yes I agree that BLP has not yet had a self sustaining energy generator.

Excellent. Disarm by agreeing.

But they've had setups with COP much greater than 1. Even in the early 1990s when Mills was working out of Thermacore, they had aqueous cells that could run for months and which had COPs of around 8 if I recall. They had it scaled up to hundreds of watts of heat output...

Molecular core levels of precambrian delta's at junction orders of 3N and less.

It really is fun, thank you.

 

[marplots]

The hydrinos would not require venting. They would easily permeate through just about anything. Then like any light gas they rise up into the upper atmosphere.

There's a mistake in the way this is phrased. Things that are lighter do not float upward unless they are squeezed out by heavier things. If they can "permeate through just about anything" there would be no reason for them not to permeate and move downward, providing they felt the force of gravity.

To make this plain, consider a bucket of sand and some water. The sand is more dense than the water, but when you pour the water in, it permeates the sand and moves downward, soaking the sand and gradually filling the bucket. But it's the water you already put in (which water cannot permeate) which eventually pushes some of the water to the top of the bucket, not the sand.

You can't both have something which permeates and also rises against gravity, unless the entire earth is already chock-full of hydrinos? Is that the idea?

 

[markie]

No, a catalyst is quite clearly defined.
It is a substance that accelerates a chemical reaction without being consumed by the chemical reaction.

1: This does not mean the reaction will not happen without the catalyst, it will just be slower.
2: The mechanism proposed is NOT a chemical reaction.
3: All proposed 'catalysts' and hydrogen are abundantly present in Jupiter, thus the whole planet would be hydrino's. It is not.

Well Mill's 'catalyst' is not consumed and enables the hydrino reaction to occur. Close enough to catalyst in my book.
Why is the catalysis of hydrino not a chemical reaction? In the case of the SunCell the catalyst is water, and upon catalyzing the hydrogen's transition to hydrino, the water gets ionized.
Yeah there would be hydrinos on Jupiter. But to say that the whole planet should consist of hydrino is a stretch. And maybe most of it is, I don't know. We don't know very much about Jupiter.