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Bowling Green Massacre

thanks ddt,

yes, the key claim of Conway was that there was an attack that the lying press didn't really report about. Has she apologized for accusing reporters hushing up something that never happened?

But even her lukewarm retraction will hurt her bigly: so far, one could make the argument that she just twisted the truth into bizarre sculptures or simple talking nonsense, but not outright falsehoods.
By admitting to having made a mistake, future interviewers will be emboldened to not let her get away with her spin doctoring.
 
Let's say I complained in a post here that "the press isn't covering, and this is probably new to you, but they arrested the masterminds behind the IRA's New York Massacre. I mean, most people don't know that because it didn't get covered".

When it's (rightly) pointed out that there was no such thing as the "IRA's New York Massacre", I say, "oh, no, I meant the time when three IRA terrorists were arrested in New York for attempting to send detonators to Northern Ireland!"

Was there anything correct in any way, shape, or form about my initial statement, and do you believe that I actually meant the arrest of terrorists for sending weapons overseas when I referenced "the IRA's New York Massacre"?
 
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ddt said:
... Lastly, I don't think that Kellyanne deserves any leniency. She has been Trump's mouthpiece for, what, the last half year, and has been continually peddling lies, or, as she prefers to call them, "alternative facts". ....
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QFT

Watch her call Spicer's falsehoods, "alternative facts". She stops mid-sentence, appears to choke the words out, then can't keep a straight face.

Then there are all the calls to fire newscasters who put fake news out. The hypocrisy is so thick it drips off Conway like syrup.
 
I'm in broad agreement with Meadmaker's charitable inclinations. She said "massacre," but did not mean it. Have you people never misspeekened? Conway already says enough stupid, factually challenged ********** up **** on the reg, I'll give her a pass if she says, "Oh, I wasn't lying about that one."

Now, would she be as charitable if the opposition had said the same? Of course not, but we're better than her.

The same goes for this cock-up in Yemen. Had it been Obama, the other side would make this into Benghazi! II. Because they're idiots. These sort of attacks are authorized by the occupant of the White House (including a recipient of a Nobel Peace Prize), and almost always garner slobbering praise from the "leftists" in the media. Katie Couric "loves" Marines, and every real American adores Seal Team Six.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Is Yuppers and alternative way of saying nope?

Because your article is clear that they had no intent to kill anyone in BG. They planned no massacre.
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It gets weirder.

The young men involved, Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, had come to the U.S. in 2009 as part of a program for displaced Iraqis. Once settled in Kentucky, the men were solicited by undercover FBI agents to help them send money and weapons to militants back in Iraq.

In August 2010, a confidential FBI informant first met with Alwan and "represented to Alwan that he was working with a group to ship money and weapons to Mujahadeen in Iraq," according to an FBI statement. From that fall through the following spring, the FBI informant invited Alwan to participate in 10 operations to send weapons or money to Iraq. Hammadi joined in the efforts, recruited by Alwan, in January 2011. Throughout the operations, the FBI supplied all materials and took care of all logistics for the imaginary operation, with Alwan and Hammadi merely offering manpower.

Despite the FBI's then-assertion that Alwan and Hammadi were just the tip of the terrorist-cell iceberg in small-town Kentucky, the agency never found additional terrorist agents in the area.
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Are you losers still talking about this? Come on, man, this is like 6 issues ago!


Pick up the pace, hup hup hut 1 hut 2 move it soldiers move it!
 
Beerina said:
Are you losers still talking about this? Come on, man, this is like 6 issues ago!


Pick up the pace, hup hup hut 1 hut 2 move it soldiers move it!
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What are the new ones? Trump landed a man on Mars? Personally? It was Yuge? Kellyanne had Bigfoot's baby? It too was huge? No, wait, that was fake news. No it wasn't; yes it was. US News and World Report has an office in the East Wing? No wait, The Enquirer.

What are the rest?
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
This is pure insanity.

How can a person close to the administration just make up lies with impunity?

In any other decade, she would have been outcast, lucky to get a job somewhere far away and be afraid to ever be seen on TV again.
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Because they just dont care enough about being accurate. They have preconceived and "common sense" beliefs that are axioms and since they are held as basic facts about the world it doesnt matter how you defend them. Nor does it matter how much effort you put into reading current affairs or researching a topic - a few lines in Facebook will do.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Is Yuppers and alternative way of saying nope?

Because your article is clear that they had no intent to kill anyone in BG. They planned no massacre.

ETA: Should have read on to see that others had taken care of this.
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I figured the planned massacre, which is not term I would use, was an Iraqi 'insurgent' attack.

But that is probably a stretch
 
Dancing David said:
I figured the planned massacre, which is not term I would use, was an Iraqi 'insurgent' attack.

But that is probably a stretch
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It is called supplying arms to an enemy force over seas. At the behest of the FBI, as it turns out.

The word massacre has no place in the discussion, and the events were covered by the media despite her protestations otherwise.

At least she retracted one of her false statements. That's a start.
 
Let's try it like this.

I heard her quote before I heard about the uproar regarding a non-existent massacre. I knew exactly what she was referring to. (Although I....errr....got the state wrong. I thought it was in Bowling Green Ohio. That's why I thought it was near Detroit. I remember hearing about it on local news, though.) I knew that I hadn't forgotten about any massacre that had occurred in Kentucky, or even in Ohio. I assumed that she was not giving a precise description of executive actions that had been taken.

In other words, I didn't feel misled. I knew it was a pair of would-be terrorists who were planning to do something bad. After reading the articles today, it turns out they had already done some bad things, and were planning on doing more, and they hadn't quite settled on just exactly which bad things to do.

After reading the uproar, I still don't feel misled. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was this instead of that and this detail isn't exactly like that and.....whatever. As she said it, I assumed some details would be wrong, and they were.

But, her political opponents by all means ought to seize on it and play it for all it's worth. Congressional investigation maybe? Maybe seven of them? That was the score on Benghazi, I think. Keep repeating it until people believe that KellyAnne Conway went onto news shows and fabricated a story about a massacre in Kentucky, hoping to fool people with a fake news story about an unreported massacre. People in America these days might just be stupid enough to believe it. It wouldn't be the first time.

Because, the alternative would be to believe that she's a fairly ordinary person, who drew parallels between two situations, exaggerated their similarities, downplayed their differences, and did a bit of cherry picking to support her case beyond what a fair reading of all the facts would be. That interpretation would be impossible, right? She must be a lying propagandist trying to mislead stupid people.
 
The most astounding thing about this administration so far is the level of unforced errors. There was no reason for Trump to question inauguration crowds but he did. There was no reason for Trump to claim hundreds of thousands of illegal votes, but he did. A feud with Arnold Schwarzeneger. And now this.

Then again, I guess I shouldn't be astounded -- his whole campaign was like that.
 
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