“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

Delphic Oracle said:
Oh, and the gal giving the interview in those clips above?

She and her boyfriend set the action up. They never once stepped foot in the building, so they technically broke no laws and went home that night (they didn't stay in camp). Yay solidarity?

Her boyfriend was known for his temper and would pull a knife on people. The camp was on a plaza that was state property, not city. There was a judicial order preventing their eviction. State cops never did anything (out of retribution) and city cops had no jurisdiction, so we couldn't oust him.
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Really all you've got here is footage of some people squatting a building and getting arrested. The rest is just your unsupported tales.
 
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Puppycow said:
The "Black Bloc" is a cancer.
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Liberalism is a cancer.

Again, just so that protesters don't make the mistake of thinking these people are allies. Milo was planning at his gathering to out undocumented students. These students could get into trouble with immigration authorities and possibly have to stop their education at UC Berkeley or even be deported. Leftists employed a black bloc tactic and prevented this from happening. Liberals on the other hand would happily throw undocumented students, or anyone else targeted by Milo & co, under the bus to further their own interests.
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
After a hard day of putting their sacred lives and honor on the line in the grand struggle to 'liberate the public spaces', they will pile into their hand-me-down mid-size luxury sedans their parents gave them, go back to loft condos in gentrified neighborhoods (they moved their for 'the diverse culture' that they displaced upon arriving in it) paid for with mommy and daddy's trust fund money and complain about how 'ungrateful' the other protesters were to them.
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But once in while the magic happens and you get to liberate that perfect little accent to your space that totally ties the whole loft experience together. That makes it so worthwhile.

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Is there any actual proof that the people in masks inflicting violence and destroying property were liberal or progressive? These could just be thrill-seekers wishing for a purge night.

Side note: Milo is a homophobic Uncle Tom.
 
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sunmaster14 said:
Milo is not boring. He's fascinating. He's also extremely articulate and insightful. Yes, he is intentionally provocative and offensive, and he exaggerates his insights to the point of being obscene, but he has explained some things that I hadn't understood before. I'm happy to start a Milo thread to discuss.
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Milo believes in Pizzagate. Therefore, any argument for him being intelligent is destroyed.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
LOL "speechify" I knew you had some humor in there somewhere.

I'm gonna concede your point because although I still don't think it was right to cancel his event, I agree with him not speaking there.

Yet if Berkeley shows some sort of habit of limiting extreme speakers to only those they agree with, I still see a problem.

Chris B.
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My understanding is that this wasn't an event set up by the university but by a group of students who attend the university.
 
MicahJava said:
Is there any actual proof that the people in masks inflicting violence and destroying property were liberal or progressive? These could just be thrill-seekers wishing for a purge night.
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As far as that where they are on the spectrum, I just call it 'off-scale'.

Thrill-seeking is certainly part of it. I put them at a half-step remove from 'vacation protesters' who zip around from one flare-up of civil unrest to another almost like their overriding ambition is create a facebook 'check-in' portfolio of their faux-activism. There is certainly overlap in that regard, as well. I saw one guy in 3 cities within about a 6 month stretch. He would usually find a woman to crash with in short order, he bragged to me about using different names everywhere 'so these chicks don't find out about each other.'

Side note: Milo is a homophobic Uncle Tom.
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This cannot be overstated.

He is Breitbart's resident 'see, we're totally not fag-bashing!' token.
 
Puppycow said:
It was reported that some of them were arrested and they were not students of the university. True, we can't know about all of them, but that's why I put my caveat. The university statement claimed they were outsiders.

Here's that article again:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/
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Well, they will have searchable public records of the arrests and one could start chasing down details through social media and whatnot.

But one wonders where the enthusiasm to do so might generate from since facts don't matter anyways. Just take a glance back up the thread a ways for examples.
 
caveman1917 said:
Liberalism is a cancer.

Again, just so that protesters don't make the mistake of thinking these people are allies. Milo was planning at his gathering to out undocumented students. These students could get into trouble with immigration authorities and possibly have to stop their education at UC Berkeley or even be deported. Leftists employed a black bloc tactic and prevented this from happening. Liberals on the other hand would happily throw undocumented students, or anyone else targeted by Milo & co, under the bus to further their own interests.
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Any evidence? In theory this is a forum for skeptics, so I'd like more than a link to a facebook post of some person I don't know.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Excerpt from the article:

"No arrests were made throughout the night."​
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But it also says:
Two Berkeley College Republicans "were attacked while conducting an interview" on the campus on Thursday, UC Berkeley also said in a prepared statement. The attackers, who were not affiliated with the university, were taken into custody by UC Berkeley police.
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I thought that "taken into custody" meant arrested.
 
Puppycow said:
But it also says:

Two Berkeley College Republicans "were attacked while conducting an interview" on the campus on Thursday, UC Berkeley also said in a prepared statement.​
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The riot occurred on Wednesday evening. Any attacks that happened the following day (Thursday) is a whole new set of circumstances.
 
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Puppycow said:
It was reported that some of them were arrested and they were not students of the university. True, we can't know about all of them, but that's why I put my caveat. The university statement claimed they were outsiders.

Here's that article again:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/
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First of all, I don't believe that all of the troublemakers were unaffiliated with the university. The probability of that seems rather close to zero.

More importantly, however, it's completely irrelevant. It was up to the university (as well as the city) to provide adequate security, and it didn't. Perhaps on purpose. Both the university administrators and the city mayor actually incited protests to some extent as well. Especially the city mayor. I think there is ample evidence that the 1st Amendment rights of Milo, the organizers of his talk, and the people who had tickets to the event were violated by both the university and the city of Berkeley.
 
Mumbles said:
Heh. Milo believes in nothing, when you get down to it. "Fascinating"? No, he's a paint-by-numbers troll.
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That's ridiculous. There isn't a progressive pundit around who could hold a candle to Milo in a debate. He's a deeper thinker than any of them. Far more articulate. And funny as hell. He may be a troll part of the time (much of the time actually), but he's certainly not a paint-by-numbers troll.
 
sunmaster14 said:
That's ridiculous. There isn't a progressive pundit around who could hold a candle to Milo in a debate. He's a deeper thinker than any of them. Far more articulate. And funny as hell. He may be a troll part of the time (much of the time actually), but he's certainly not a paint-by-numbers troll.
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looks like someone has a crush...
 
sunmaster14 said:
First of all, I don't believe that all of the troublemakers were unaffiliated with the university. The probability of that seems rather close to zero.

More importantly, however, it's completely irrelevant. It was up to the university (as well as the city) to provide adequate security, and it didn't. Perhaps on purpose. Both the university administrators and the city mayor actually incited protests to some extent as well. Especially the city mayor. I think there is ample evidence that the 1st Amendment rights of Milo, the organizers of his talk, and the people who had tickets to the event were violated by both the university and the city of Berkeley.
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Add to that, their blatant discrimination against an openly Gay individual (Homophobia). It's time to withhold all federal funds. Why should the taxpayers be forced to fund Berkeley's cesspool of hate and intolerance?
 
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