“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

:rolleyes:

Do you have eyewitness testimony to offer?

Last time I checked there wasn't much evidentiary weight to a statement of incredulity.
 
caveman1917 said:
I'm sure you'd hate to think that. Not sure why you think the Stonewall riots are an argument to "excuse" my posting behaviour, or why my posting behaviour would require an "excuse". They are a good argument against liberal ******** though.
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:rolleyes:

Sure, that's what I was objecting to.

Uh-huh.

You do know all you're doing is repeatedly demonstrating the tendency of an anarchist to impulsively lie about everything, right?
 
Delphic Oracle said:
:rolleyes:

Sure, that's what I was objecting to.

Uh-huh.
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Here is what you said:
Because I'd hate to think you just used someone else's struggle as an argument to excuse your behavior.
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Reasonably the only behaviour of me you'd have been able to observe is my posting behaviour. Which behaviour, exactly, did you mean otherwise?

You do know all you're doing is repeatedly demonstrating the tendency of an anarchist to impulsively lie about everything, right?
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More unsupported assertions. Evidence?
 
Was going to post this CNN article about subsequent developments:

Berkeley protests of Yiannopoulos caused $100,000 in damage

The university blamed "150 masked agitators" for the unrest, saying they had come to campus to disturb an otherwise peaceful protest.

Two Berkeley College Republicans "were attacked while conducting an interview" on the campus on Thursday, UC Berkeley also said in a prepared statement. The attackers, who were not affiliated with the university, were taken into custody by UC Berkeley police.
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So you have some people who aren't even affiliated with the university (according to the university anyway) coming on campus and causing $100,000 in damage. I don't know if that figure even includes what happened off campus.

My understanding is that the University itself was in favor of free speech.
The "Black Bloc" is a cancer.

Black-clad protesters wearing masks threw commercial-grade fireworks and rocks at police. Some even hurled Molotov cocktails that ignited fires. They also smashed windows of the student union center on the Berkeley campus where the Yiannopoulos event was to be held.
At least six people were injured. Some were attacked by the agitators -- who are a part of an anarchist group known as the "Black Bloc" that has been causing problems in Oakland for years, said Dan Mogulof, UC Berkeley spokesman.
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Then there's Trump's reaction:

President Donald Trump weighed in on Twitter, suggesting the possibility of cutting federal funds to the public university.
"If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view -- NO FEDERAL FUNDS?" Trump tweeted Thursday morning.
Later, Yiannopoulos posted Trump's tweet to Facebook and proclaimed himself "the catalyst for this change."
"American universities are on notice. The President is watching," he wrote. "The days you could silence conservative and libertarian voices on campus and still expect to collect their tax money are coming to an end."
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So, the University is actually one of the victims here, the "agitators" (or at least most of them more than likely) came from the outside and started a riot. But Trump makes no distinction and simply blames the University itself and threatens to cut their funding. Troll Milo who I'm sure is aware who is really behind the violence piles on with his taunts, but I'm sure he's secretly very pleased to be the center of attention.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Eyewitness testimony is evidence.

Your turn.
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I don't believe fascists[*] when they whine about anarchists.

* you've outed yourself quite clearly with claiming that things anarchists do, such as housing for homeless and refugees, provision of free stuff to poor people, providing free food to those who need it, etc are "nothing of value".
 




No, I don't have people on film admitting they stole money and left their fellow protesters to rot in jail alone (yay solidarity?).

But this corroborates the direct action.

So again: what's your counter-claim? Who do you cite?
 
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I align with caveman on almost nothing.

But on this we can find common ground.

I have yet to meet a black bloc that was less than 90% young adult white males from the suburbs who wouldn't know oppression if it crushed their throat with a boot stomp.

After a hard day of putting their sacred lives and honor on the line in the grand struggle to 'liberate the public spaces', they will pile into their hand-me-down mid-size luxury sedans their parents gave them, go back to loft condos in gentrified neighborhoods (they moved their for 'the diverse culture' that they displaced upon arriving in it) paid for with mommy and daddy's trust fund money and complain about how 'ungrateful' the other protesters were to them.
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And this is part of the Progressive movement, why? How?

The anarchists are much closer to the Bundy crowd than they are to Progressives. Look at the Women's March on the 21st. Millions of women, men and kids all over the world protesting Trump and his bigoted, racist, misogynist pals and it was 100% peaceful as far as I know. That is the Progressive movement.

Anarchists love to latch on to a protest, ever since the WTO protests in this neck of the woods where there were indeed more Progressives and liberals that made a statement against trade and corporations that left workers and the disadvantaged in terrible straights they seem to come out to every major event.

I've been an anti-war activist since I was in my teens. There have always been the tagalongs trying to claim the crowd was for their causes most people in the protest never heard of. Sometime the protest leaders were successful marginalizing the tagger-ons, sometimes they were allowed to march with their minority opinion signs. The Socialist Workers Party are your classic leaches trying to make it look like a march agrees with them when we don't.

This is the same crap. Protest organizers need to learn from the successful methods of marginalizing these idiots and not letting them take credit for a massive movement that are not there to support their nonsense.
 
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I don't believe fascists[*] when they whine about anarchists.

* you've outed yourself quite clearly with claiming that things anarchists do, such as housing for homeless and refugees, provision of free stuff to poor people, providing free food to those who need it, etc are "nothing of value".
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I don't believe criminals when they whine about good journalism.

You've outed yourself quite clearly with claiming that things anarchists do, like lying to people about the risks they are about to involve themselves in, ripping off their fellow activists, leaving them to rot, and having no actual real intention to do any of these 'outreach to the vulnerable' activities you claim to support, are the hallmarks of true committed protest.
 
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No, I don't have people on film admitting they stole money and left their fellow protesters to rot in jail alone (yay solidarity?).

But this corroborates the direct action.

So again: what's your counter-claim? Who do you cite?
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All this shows is some people attempting to occupy a building and then getting arrested.
 
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All this shows is some people attempting to occupy a building and then getting arrested.
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Which corroborates elements of my report.

So far the ratio of evidence is infinite in comparison to the jack **** you have.

ETA: 20 minutes of video, 5 minutes between post and reply on timestamps.

So you didn't even watch them, did you?

More lies, so even if you do rebut me, you've got a credibility issue, too.
 
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Oh, and the gal giving the interview in those clips above?

She and her boyfriend set the action up. They never once stepped foot in the building, so they technically broke no laws and went home that night (they didn't stay in camp). Yay solidarity?

Her boyfriend was known for his temper and would pull a knife on people. The camp was on a plaza that was state property, not city. There was a judicial order preventing their eviction. State cops never did anything (out of retribution) and city cops had no jurisdiction, so we couldn't oust him.
 
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I don't believe criminals when they whine about good journalism.
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Ah yes, another clear distinction between fascism and leftism. Fascism is obsessed with crime and punishment (such as the praxis of collaborating with the police to get people arrested you promoted earlier) and considers so-called "criminals" to have bad inherent characteristics making them "not to be believed".

This stands in clear opposition to anarchism, which uphold a praxis of organizing prisoners to fight for better conditions and forming prisoner support groups and a position opposed to prisons.

This is shared in general by leftists, such as non-anarchist socialist Eugene Debbs:
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I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.
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Delphic Oracle said:
You've outed yourself quite clearly with claiming that things anarchists do, like lying to people about the risks they are about to involve themselves in, ripping off their fellow activists, leaving them to rot, and having no actual real intention to do any of these 'outreach to the vulnerable' activities you claim to support, are the hallmarks of true committed protest.
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The only part of your claims which can be verified is an outright lie, multiple examples such anarchist projects have been provided in the other thread, so what does that tell us?
 
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ETA: 20 minutes of video, 5 minutes between post and reply on timestamps.

So you didn't even watch them, did you?

More lies, so even if you do rebut me, you've got a credibility issue, too.
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I fast-forwarded through the stuff where, you know, nothing happens.
 
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