Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

[Skeptic Tank]

Malnutrition is a leading cause of death in the world.

Malnutrition better step up its game. Over 7 billion of us now, 95% of them useless (I'm being generous with that figure) and we're killing the planet.

Could use a 12 Monkeys virus right about now.

 

[caveman1917]

This is why anarchists produce nothing of value.

Anarchists produce things with an eye towards the least privileged. For example the networks of social centers which provide services to refugees and the homeless, or providing free food to anyone who is hungry.

As these activities are not in the direct individual interests of the more privileged (especially the local bosses and bourgeoisie) they are therefor "nothing of value" in the fascist value system, as one can see.

Every request for them to share resources towards a common goal is met with a response along the lines of "I don't have to", "you can't make me"

Yes that would be an expected answer for requests for them to share their identities towards your common goal of getting them arrested.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Anarchists produce things with an eye towards the least privileged. For example the networks of social centers which provide services to refugees and the homeless, or providing free food to anyone who is hungry.

As these activities are not in the direct individual interests of the more privileged they are therefor "nothing of value" in the fascist value system, as one can see.

I just read an article where FNB fed POLICE! How can these collaborator poseurs possibly be anarchists?!

Other than that, a wiki link to 'social centers'?

Okay, we've established the concept.

Keep going...

Yes that would be an expected answer for requests for them to share their identities towards your common goal of getting them arrested.

Here's a reply I know you'll understand and agree with:

 

[caveman1917]

Keep going...

Not interested. I just thought it was interesting to highlight the fascist value system which considers things done for the least privileged in society to be "nothing of value". It nicely expresses the underlying desire to see the homeless or refugees sleep on the streets or even starve rather than having accommodations available etc.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Not interested. I just thought it was interesting to highlight the fascist value system which considers things done for the least privileged in society to be "nothing of value". It nicely expresses the underlying desire to see the homeless or refugees sleep on the streets or even starve rather than having accommodations available etc.

 

[caveman1917]

The anarchist praxis of give-away shops (where everything is free) is considered "nothing of value" in a fascist value system because it helps the poorest in society rather than the middle class and local/national bosses and business owners. The same general worldview/praxis of crapping downwards on the hierarchy and ass-licking upwards is why you'll see them call for people to put their bodies on the line in defense of corporate private property but you won't see them call for people to do the same thing to stop an eviction or something.

 

[caveman1917]

The same general worldview/praxis of crapping downwards on the hierarchy and ass-licking upwards is why you'll see them call for people to put their bodies on the line in defense of corporate private property but you won't see them call for people to do the same thing to stop an eviction or something.

The black bloc tactic arose out of the practical needs of defending against evictions in fact.

Which also leads into a distinguishing aspect between the left and the right. The left, such as most anarchists, would see an eviction making someone homeless as a violation of this person's rights, whereas the right, such as liberals or conservatives, would see stopping an eviction as "violence" against "private property".

 

[Ziggurat]

The anarchist praxis of give-away shops

Still stuck on distribution. Still nothing about production.

When the world is nothing but anarchists, how long do you think you could last, just passing around the spoils of a previous era?

 

[theprestige]

The anarchist praxis of give-away shops (where everything is free) is considered "nothing of value" in a fascist value system...

First, nothing is free in a give-away shop. It's just a question of who bears the cost.

Second, this is just the praxis of charity, which is valued by a wide range of value systems, from militant theocracy to liberal democracy. Even totalitarian communism recognizes in principle the praxis of welfare (though their record on implementation is somewhat spotty).

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Yup, so basically squatting 9) in the middle of a flow of value generated by others and claiming to be the fountain of blessings for all.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Jeez,
I should've put this thread in Forum Community. I really expected a whole lot (which we got initially) of the "I'm a pacifist but what the hey, it's Richard Spencer" sort.

Turning it into an Alt-Dot-University beginner level course on the counter culture was unintended. But I reckon if it ain't Anarchy 101, it's the Big Book of Libertarianism or States Rights Bigotry for Dummies. Seems all kinds of people like a soap box.

 

[caveman1917]

Second, this is just the praxis of charity, which is valued by a wide range of value systems, from militant theocracy to liberal democracy.

Not by fascist and related doctrines though, hence why it is claimed to be "nothing of value".

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Jeez,
I should've put this thread in Forum Community. I really expected a whole lot (which we got initially) of the "I'm a pacifist but what the hey, it's Richard Spencer" sort.

Turning it into an Alt-Dot-University beginner level course on the counter culture was unintended. But I reckon if it ain't Anarchy 101, it's the Big Book of Libertarianism or States Rights Bigotry for Dummies. Seems all kinds of people like a soap box.

You're right, we should have danced with the one that brung us. There's still time for one more song, though!

:9

 

[theprestige]

Jeez,
I should've put this thread in Forum Community. I really expected a whole lot (which we got initially) of the "I'm a pacifist but what the hey, it's Richard Spencer" sort.

Turning it into an Alt-Dot-University beginner level course on the counter culture was unintended. But I reckon if it ain't Anarchy 101, it's the Big Book of Libertarianism or States Rights Bigotry for Dummies. Seems all kinds of people like a soap box.

Like I said before, we started with vigilante justice, and ended up with anarchy.

 

[uke2se]

There were some Anarchist pockets in Spain during the Spanish Civil War.

From what I remember, they did the following:

-Replace money with coupons
-Fight a really disorganised war (get on truck, drive to front, take pot-shots at Fascists, drive back, have dinner, recite revolutionary poetry, make love to girlfriend, go to bed, repeat until shot by Fascist).
-Fail to capitalise on initial military success, because we don't want hierarchy and therefore can't appoint negotiators, nor decide points to negotiate.
-Set fire to a couple of churches.

That's it, I think. It lasted too short to see how this would work for real in peacetime.



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Not really true. The anarchist units operated mainly in Catalonia, and held it as a bastion for most of the war.

The disorganisation among the Republican forces was primarily due to internal power struggles, especially between Soviet adviced communists and liberal Republicans.

 

[Hercules56]

I'm mostly a non-violent person, but when I see Nazis, something inside me just loses its mind!!!!

 

[varwoche]

I'm mostly a non-violent person, but when I see Nazis, something inside me just loses its mind!!!!

Clearly, and you're not alone. Quite a number of otherwise reasonable people toss reason to the wind in favor of knee-jerk emotion, staking out positions in opposition to free speech, in opposition to the rule-of-law, with utterly no regard for the consequences if vigilantism were to become normalized.

The worst part is, they're unwitting tools of the very forces they oppose. The way to oppose a fascist is not to imitate a fascist.

 

[applecorped]

The worst part is, they're unwitting tools of the very forces they oppose. The way to oppose a fascist is not to imitate a fascist.

For some here the best way to oppose a fascist is to be an even bigger fascist.

 

[applecorped]

The left, such as most anarchists, would see an eviction making someone homeless as a violation of this person's rights, whereas the right, such as liberals or conservatives, would see stopping an eviction as "violence" against "private property".

Reality disagrees.

 

[caveman1917]

Clearly, and you're not alone. Quite a number of otherwise reasonable people toss reason to the wind in favor of knee-jerk emotion, staking out positions in opposition to free speech, in opposition to the rule-of-law, with utterly no regard for the consequences if vigilantism were to become normalized.

The worst part is, they're unwitting tools of the very forces they oppose. The way to oppose a fascist is not to imitate a fascist.