Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator

[michaelsuede]

MS - what do you have to say about this? He was just waiting for the heat exchange unit, and let's be frank a heat exchanger can be made with just a few coils of copper tubing so I am amazed given his self claimed engineering prowess he couldn't build one himself. So what happened?

PeterWol62 - it appears your knowledge of his progress was almost completely wrong. He has had working heat generators for decades. Unless Mills lied when he made his claims 25 plus years ago? So what happened?

Mills discussed this in his lecture that I cited. The problem was achieving a power density that made it economically competitive.

Here's what Mills is quoted as saying back in 1991:

"...we have right now a cell running that is a commercial demonstration of this technology. "

ie. a prototype CIHT cell that was producing 10 watts (not kilowatts) of power.

"We're pushing right now ... we have a contract we're pursuing that will give us a one kilowatt -- a one thousand watt home heating unit within four months."

The contract never materialized. They were pursuing a contract, which didn't pan out because they weren't able to achieve adequate power density to make the unit economically competitive.

"We have the electrochemical power cell -- it is running. It has the capacity of putting out a thousand watts. And we are waiting for the heat exchanger unit to interface with that [power cell] and we will have a prototype of a home heating unit.'"

Mills is a little loose with the term "capacity" here. It wasn't putting out a 1000 watts. It had the potential to scale (capacity) to 1000 watts, but the 1000 watt prototype was never built.

The size and cost of the units were ultimately not competitive.

Consider you could buy a 1000 watt gas generator for a hundred bucks that burns 1 gal of fuel for 5 hours, using 1752 gallons over a year for 24/7 operation at 2 bucks a gallon, for $3500 a year in fuel costs.

For example, if a 1000 watt CIHT cell cost $35,000 to produce and install, that's like running a gas generator for 10 years anyways, and if the projected lifespan is 10 years, you may as well just buy the gas generator.

Of course, grid tied power is far cheaper than even a gas generator would be, so there was no point to going forward with a commercial variant of the CIHT cell.

I don't see anything untruthful about Mills previous statements. They are taken out of context and cited from disreputable sources. While the "capacity" issue may seem deceptive, it's also out of context so it's impossible to know what else may have accompanied that statement.

The current SunCell is achieving millions of watts of power in a space that's about the size of a coffee cup. This achievement totally destroys the power density issues that were holding back the previous generation from commercialization.

 

[marplots]

The current SunCell is achieving millions of watts of power in a space that's about the size of a coffee cup. This achievement totally destroys the power density issues that were holding back the previous generation from commercialization.

Can we at least fix this claim in cement so we have it later on?

After all, time will tell, but not if we don't keep good records.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Via Google of course.

Really? Can you remember what search terms you used? I'm finding it hard to make this thread come up in the first couple of pages of any relevant search terms.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

You spammed a Libertarian site with this?

Brilliant Light Power Achieves Self-Sustaining Reaction
by Michael Suede • October 28, 2016

That's his site.

 

[phunk]

Megawatts in a coffee cup... I'm just wondering how it doesn't instantly vaporize.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You spammed a Libertarian site with this?

I think you mis-spelled the second word; there should be a c in there.

Dave

 

[michaelsuede]

Megawatts in a coffee cup... I'm just wondering how it doesn't instantly vaporize.

It did.

They were vaporizing (literally vaporizing into metal vapor) 1/4" thick tungsten electrodes within seconds of turning the power on.

No commercial power source known to man can do that.

They solved the vaporizing electrode problem by going with molten metal injection.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

ie. a prototype CIHT cell that was producing 10 watts (not kilowatts) of power.

Again, even this modest claim would be significant if true. But that is still just an unsupported claim. Not once has any evidence been presented here that even 1 watt was ever produced over input. Sure you have your fancy light bulbs giving off a flash as they burned out. Irrelevant. None of any of that means a thing until you can show even a small increase of output over input presumably due to a shift into dark matter and not just from burning up the units?

 

[halleyscomet]

http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_6_8_1.html

"On April 26, 1989, Dr. Mills had filed a patent for 'Energy/Matter Conversion Methods and Structures.' Dr. Mills states, '...we scaled it up greater than a factor of a thousand and we have right now a cell running that is a commercial demonstration of this technology. We're pushing right now ... we have a contract we're pursuing that will give us a one kilowatt -- a one thousand watt home heating unit within four months. We have the electrochemical power cell -- it is running. It has the capacity of putting out a thousand watts. And we are waiting for the heat exchanger unit to interface with that [power cell] and we will have a prototype of a home heating unit.'"

2017 - 1989 = 28.

28 Years later, where's the home heater that was only "four months" away?

At what point will you concede that "Dr." Mills is a complete failure in anything other than fund raising?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Mills discussed this in his lecture that I cited. The problem was achieving a power density that made it economically competitive.

Here's what Mills is quoted as saying back in 1991:



ie. a prototype CIHT cell that was producing 10 watts (not kilowatts) of power.



The contract never materialized. They were pursuing a contract, which didn't pan out because they weren't able to achieve adequate power density to make the unit economically competitive.



Mills is a little loose with the term "capacity" here. It wasn't putting out a 1000 watts. It had the potential to scale (capacity) to 1000 watts, but the 1000 watt prototype was never built.

And yet...

I started the theoretical work in 1988, working about a year on the theory, and then I did about 350 experiments looking for tritium and optimizing conditions comparing that to heat I got. Then from about the spring of 1990 through now -- probably a good 500 experiments optimizing these parameters, then through the various scale ups. ... [I've experimented with] cells doing very meticulous computer data acquisition systems that run these cells for long periods of time, turning them off and on in all kinds of conditions and parameters and all kinds of adjustments that optimize the power output, and the power density and trying to determine the economics and cost effectiveness of various configurations, going into 1- watt cells and 10-watt cells and 120 watt cells -- we ran for about a month and a half and then we moved onto this cell with a thousand watt capacity. ... We have a thermal unit and we've been studying that for about a month and a half now and we're ultimately going to produce this one- kilowatt heater for household use."

Further, Dr. Mills comments [1], "I was quite surprised at how rapidly this scaled up and actually it was because we had done all the ground work. We ad done about 500 experiments with this very accurate computerized data
acquisition system, where we had six of these electrochemical power cells running simultaneously around the clock and we just kept changing in and out all sorts of things and just keeping it going, manning this thing all the time, just keeping it [experimental progress] going as rapidly as possible. And then once we determined all these parameters it's very straightforward to scale it up and I see no limitation to how much power you can get out of this thing" [electrochemical power cell].

While the "capacity" issue may seem deceptive, it's also out of context so it's impossible to know what else may have accompanied that statement.

Context above.

 

[halleyscomet]

It did.

They were vaporizing (literally vaporizing into metal vapor) 1/4" thick tungsten electrodes within seconds of turning the power on.

No commercial power source known to man can do that.

They solved the vaporizing electrode problem by going with molten metal injection.

Even if that's true, so what?

An unsustainable flash of heat does not a generator make.

 

[hecd2]

It did.

They were vaporizing (literally vaporizing into metal vapor) 1/4" thick tungsten electrodes within seconds of turning the power on.

No commercial power source known to man can do that.

No commercial power source known to man can vaporise 6mm tungsten electrodes in seconds? Really? You wouldn't just like to do the sums on that for us, would you, to support that claim?

 

[halleyscomet]

That's his site.

Ah, so he didn't spam it, he was just taken in.

You'd think a reasonable person would realize a man who claims to be "4 months" from a commercial product for 28 years might catch onto the idea that the claimant might not be entirely accurate in his assertions.

 

[michaelsuede]

No commercial power source known to man can vaporise 6mm tungsten electrodes in seconds? Really? You wouldn't just like to do the sums on that for us, would you, to support that claim?

If you're aware of one, nothing is stopping you from posting it here and making me look like an idiot.

Of course, the longer you delay, the more credibility I gain.

 

[michaelsuede]

And yet...

Context above.

That's not context, that's you making up stuff and posting it on the internet without sources.

See all those "..." in the text? That means stuff was left out from whatever source you're quoting that from.

 

[MikeG]

If you're aware of one, nothing is stopping you from posting it here and making me look like an idiot.
Of course, the longer you delay, the more credibility I gain.

Oh please. Seriously, my ribs can't take any more of this.

You'd think a reasonable person would realize a man who claims to be "4 months" from a commercial product for 28 years might catch onto the idea that the claimant might not be entirely accurate in his assertions.

 

[halleyscomet]

No commercial power source known to man can vaporise 6mm tungsten electrodes in seconds? Really? You wouldn't just like to do the sums on that for us, would you, to support that claim?

Let's start by examining the physical properties of Tungsten:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten

Boiling point 6203 K (5930 °C, 10,706 °F)
Heat of vaporization 774 kJ/mol

The BLP claim appears to be the current reactor uses liquid silver electrodes to get around the tungsten vaporization problem...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver

Boiling point 2435 K (2162 °C, 3924 °F
Heat of vaporization 254 kJ/mol

How the HELL are liquid silver electrodes an improvement if the device supposedly vaporized tungsten? The silver will vaporize too!

No wonder they can't bring a product to market.

 

[halleyscomet]

If you're aware of one, nothing is stopping you from posting it here and making me look like an idiot.

Of course, the longer you delay, the more credibility I gain.

That's a cute fantasy, but you have NO credibility, and you won't gain any here unless Mills produces a commercial generator based upon his Hydrino theories.

You can flap your jaw all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. No generator, no proof. Given we're talking about a crew who supposedly saw tungsten vaporised and decided silver would fix the problem, I don't hold out much hope for them.

 

[michaelsuede]

Oh please. Seriously, my ribs can't take any more of this.

I'm sure you were laughing when I told people to buy Bitcoin at 10 bucks a coin as well.

 

[MikeG]

I'm sure you were laughing when I told people to buy Bitcoin at 10 bucks a coin as well.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never had any dealings with you other than in this thread, and I have never read any threads on Bitcoins, let alone had any interest in purchasing said item. And bucks over here are male deer.