Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

[caveman1917]

Which I'm happy to do

Then do it. Describe anarchism. So far it seems mostly a praxis of collaboration with the police so as to defend private property, in an attempt to gain favours with the state. Do you have any sort of anarchist publication with which you can back up this peculiar notion of anarchism?

 

[caveman1917]

I'm not a liberal.

You've been promoting Hillary Clinton for the election, and have expressed a preference for anti-fascists to be assaulted and kidnapped by the state (they should "pay the price"). And again, there's nobody stopping you from doing what you prefer, so why aren't you?

If that's not liberalism, then what would you say it is?

Ergo, the rest of your post is a series of straw men.

Prove it.

Keep working on that "edgy" bit. It's quite amusing.

It's quite amusing the ad-hom hoops you go through to hide that you have no argument.

 

[Foolmewunz]

You've been promoting Hillary Clinton for the election, and have expressed a preference for anti-fascists to be assaulted and kidnapped by the state (they should "pay the price"). And again, there's nobody stopping you from doing what you prefer, so why aren't you?

I've said often that I was willing to support Clinton in order to stop the GOP. Trump was just icing on the cake. I am not a Clinton supporter. I think both of the Clintons and Obama are corporatist Democrats.

Could you show me where I said that I want anti-fascists assaulted and kidnapped? You're projecting. You need to read my comment again.

If that's not liberalism, then what would you say it is?

Pragmatism.

Prove it.

It's already proven. You're making up positions for me because that's what you have in your ammo bag and are prepared to argue against.

It's quite amusing the ad-hom hoops you go through to hide that you have no argument.

I know you are, but what am I? I have an argument, it's just not the one you wish to hear.

 

[caveman1917]

Could you show me where I said that I want anti-fascists assaulted and kidnapped? You're projecting. You need to read my comment again.

You seem to be the one projecting:

You want to make a statement, walk up to him and announce yourself and do the deed then pay the price.

You've also failed to mention what this "price" is and where they should "turn themselves in" to "pay" it. A KKK holdout? A police holdout? Which gang, exactly, do you have in mind for this ritual that you like to see performed after a fascist gets punched?

Besides, any sort of argument for this other than that such ritual would titillate your feelz better?

Pragmatism.

There's nothing pragmatic about your position.

It's already proven.

No it hasn't.

You're making up positions for me because that's what you have in your ammo bag and are prepared to argue against.

What position have I made up exactly?

I know you are, but what am I?

Liberal it is.

I have an argument, it's just not the one you wish to hear.

You've made no argument, you've simply asserted a preference for seeing anti-fascists "pay the price" after punching a fascist. Which leads to the question: then why don't you go do so, walk up to a fascist, announce yourself, punch him and then "turn yourself in"?

 

[NWO Sentryman]

@liberals
Nobody cares what you "respect" or how you like your "heroes". You're one of the most violent and murderous ideological cults on the planet (killing 291k people per year in the US alone - for the glory of your crappy belief system). Other than being so obnoxiously self-absorbed that you are only capable of interpreting others' actions as a request for "respect" from you, which you then say "sorry" for not giving. You want to punch Spencer while announcing yourself and then turning yourself in? Go ahead, nobody's stopping you.

Compared to a social collapse that would kill BILLIONS for Anarchy to be viable, it's a price worth paying.

 

[Foolmewunz]

You seem to be the one projecting:


You've also failed to mention what this "price" is and where they should "turn themselves in" to "pay" it. A KKK holdout? A police holdout? Which gang, exactly, do you have in mind for this ritual that you like to see performed after a fascist gets punched?

Besides, any sort of argument for this other than that such ritual would titillate your feelz better?



There's nothing pragmatic about your position.



No it hasn't.



What position have I made up exactly?



Liberal it is.



You've made no argument, you've simply asserted a preference for seeing anti-fascists "pay the price" after punching a fascist. Which leads to the question: then why don't you go do so, walk up to a fascist, announce yourself, punch him and then "turn yourself in"?

You are still projecting. Hint: Saying that you have to be willing to pay the price does not mean that I want to see anyone attacked or kidnapped. I guess you've never actually heard of "civil disobedience"? The purpose of which is to break the law to call attention to grievances. It's been a viable tactic for several centuries.

Hit-and-run trash can burning and broken windows is not my idea of civil disobedience. In other words, be prepared to be taken away, enjoy an overnight or even over-weekend stay in lock-up and own up to what you believe in. You like hiding behind masks? More power to you. I'm against it

Thoreau, Gandhi, King, scores of other well known agents for change have applied these methods, and it's the method I subscribe to. Where, exactly have you participated in any actions? Or are you just in the cheering section?

 

[caveman1917]

You are still projecting. Hint: Saying that you have to be willing to pay the price does not mean that I want to see anyone attacked or kidnapped. I guess you've never actually heard of "civil disobedience"? The purpose of which is to break the law to call attention to grievances. It's been a viable tactic for several centuries.

Hit-and-run trash can burning and broken windows is not my idea of civil disobedience. In other words, be prepared to be taken away, enjoy an overnight or even over-weekend stay in lock-up and own up to what you believe in. You like hiding behind masks? More power to you. I'm against it

Not that the rest of it is any less incoherent.

Thoreau, Gandhi, King, scores of other well known agents for change have applied these methods, and it's the method I subscribe to.

I am applying the lessons of King, a riot is a language indeed, and a burning limo is an elegant argument.

Is there any reason why you subscribe to that set of methods which you associate with these so-called "well known agents for change"? Personally I prefer to base my methods on analysis and reasoning rather than some random preference for watching people perform self-sacrificial rituals whereby they get assaulted and kidnapped by a violent gang.

Where, exactly have you participated in any actions? Or are you just in the cheering section?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Foolmewunz]

Not that the rest of it is any less incoherent.



I am applying the lessons of King, a riot is a language indeed, and a burning limo is an elegant argument.

Is there any reason why you subscribe to that set of methods which you associate with these so-called "well known agents for change"? Personally I prefer to base my methods on analysis and reasoning rather than some random preference for watching people perform self-sacrificial rituals whereby they get assaulted and kidnapped by a violent gang.



What does that have to do with anything?

That has everything to do with everything. I want to know if you're the guy who says, "Here, I'll hold your jacket - you hit him."

Do you support the anonymous violence you're promoting or are you an active participant? 'Cuz my philosophy runs across both areas. I support civil disobedience and I've participated in it. And... I've been in lockup for it... several times. Read my posts with that in mind and you'll see the point I'm making.

 

[caveman1917]

That has everything to do with everything. I want to know if you're the guy who says, "Here, I'll hold your jacket - you hit him."

I said nothing about any jacket. I do say that if you think the people who punched Spencer were doing it wrong and you think you know how to do it better then, as far as I'm concerned, you're free to go do it better. "Be the change you want to see in the world" and all that.

Do you support the anonymous violence you're promoting or are you an active participant?

I did not participate in punching Richard Spencer, no.

I might as well ask you, do you support the anonymous violence you're promoting [aka "private property"] or are you an active participant?

'Cuz my philosophy runs across both areas. I support civil disobedience and I've participated in it. And... I've been in lockup for it... several times. Read my posts with that in mind and you'll see the point I'm making.

I know what point you're making, you're hardly the first one to come up with this, you know.

 

[marplots]

Did it work? Did the punch convince this guy his views were wrong?

Probably did.

 

[caveman1917]

Did it work?

Probably.

Did the punch convince this guy his views were wrong?

Probably not.

Probably did.

Why would you think that?

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Did it work? Did the punch convince this guy his views were wrong?

Probably did.

Nothing will convince him his views are wrong, but it was convincing evidence that his views are not normalized or mainstream. I don't normally advocate violence, but I make an exception for Nazis.* I hope someone punches him next time he gets on TV, too.

*And people who aggro Buzz Aldrin. In fact, if any astronaut needs to punch you, you probably had it coming.

 

[Hercules56]

nothing wrong with hitting Nazis.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I said nothing about any jacket. I do say that if you think the people who punched Spencer were doing it wrong and you think you know how to do it better then, as far as I'm concerned, you're free to go do it better. "Be the change you want to see in the world" and all that.

You don't get metaphors, do you?

I did not participate in punching Richard Spencer, no.

I might as well ask you, do you support the anonymous violence you're promoting [aka "private property"] or are you an active participant?

Sorry, but that makes no sense. Could you translate that into non-edgy normalese?

I know what point you're making, you're hardly the first one to come up with this, you know.

I sincerely doubt you know the point I'm making.

You didn't answer the question. Do you just give lip service to this activity or do you participate when given a chance. That's not so hard to answer.

I put my money where my mouth is. I've committed acts of civil disobedience, knowing they were illegal and knowing that there was always an excellent chance of getting beaten up or taken to jail. I didn't just cheer on the demonstrators from a safe perch behind a computer or typewriter. I got busted and I also got busted up.

How about you? Are you actually a dedicated revolutionary, or just some guy being edgy on the internet.

 

[caveman1917]

Sorry, but that makes no sense. Could you translate that into non-edgy normalese?

It makes more than sense enough, and I have no intention to bother translating it into liberalese.

I sincerely doubt you know the point I'm making.

Sure I do, hence why I've already linked to an argument refuting it. Again, you're far from the first one to come up with it.

You didn't answer the question. Do you just give lip service to this activity or do you participate when given a chance. That's not so hard to answer.

I put my money where my mouth is. I've committed acts of civil disobedience, knowing they were illegal and knowing that there was always an excellent chance of getting beaten up or taken to jail.

We all have, and playing the special snowflake for having committed acts of civil disobedience does not make your point more valid or even coherent in the first place. It's just a simplistic ad-hom.

 

[Hercules56]

With all due respect, do we REALLY want to cry because a Nazi got sucker punched? Really?

 

[Joe Random]

With all due respect, do we REALLY want to cry because a Nazi got sucker punched? Really?

Not saying we should cry, just some are suggesting we shouldn't cheerlead it, either.

Here's part one of an interview in 78 with the ACLU about the Skokie march :



A quote from part 2 :

The whole point of the First Amendment is that you hear those ideas and if you don't like them you reject them. You don't give them power with which to implement those ideas. <...> There's a world of difference between permitting a march to take place and permitting the marchers to have power.

 

[Foolmewunz]

It makes more than sense enough, and I have no intention to bother translating it into liberalese.



Sure I do, hence why I've already linked to an argument refuting it. Again, you're far from the first one to come up with it.



We all have, and playing the special snowflake for having committed acts of civil disobedience does not make your point more valid or even coherent in the first place. It's just a simplistic ad-hom.

Sure it does. Those who can, do. Those who can't, post on the internet.

 

[The Big Dog]

With all due respect, do we REALLY want to cry because a Nazi got sucker punched? Really?

Yes, of course:

ACLU Taking a Stand for Free Speech

 

[caveman1917]

Sure it does.

Of course it doesn't. Feel free to provide an actual argument for your case at some point.

By your logic rain dancing is effective in making it rain, because the people who say so have been doing rain dances.