Ed Clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham Part 3

[NoahFence]

This is a lie. You were never convinced that it was illegal, and I know that you know it.

Of course I did. If I didn't, that would be hypocritical. I'd sure not want to be known as a hypocrite.

 

[NoahFence]

Newsweak has reported that several of Trump's staffers -- but not Trump himself -- have RNC email accounts. It is unknown whether these email accounts are currently being used -- or have ever been used, for that matter.

Newsweak has requested that the White House look into the situation and get back to them.

Trump still uses his unsecured personal Android phone.

 

[wareyin]

This is why tu quoque type arguments are so terrible, because that implies that Noahfence believes that the actual subject of the thread, Hillary should be locked up. Given that Noah does not in fact so believe, it is pretty clear that the whole subject is hypocritical.

I will take the bait, I think they should both go to jail!

yay!

This is why just squawking "tu quoque" when you don't understand what a tu quoque fallacy is fails you.

 

[wareyin]

She did commit a crime. I have shown this over and over again in this thread. As for the so-called news that Trump people are doing the same thing, the evidence is weak, to say the least. Hillary never ever used an official email account. That means, unless she never sent an email related to her work, it is impossible for her to have only used her private server for personal email. And we know that she did use email for her work.

Hmmm, believe you, or believe the legal experts with relevant expertise and more knowledge of the case than you? That's a toughy!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

She did commit a crime. I have shown this over and over again in this thread. As for the so-called news that Trump people are doing the same thing, the evidence is weak, to say the least. Hillary never ever used an official email account. That means, unless she never sent an email related to her work, it is impossible for her to have only used her private server for personal email. And we know that she did use email for her work.

No.

 

[The Big Dog]

But... but...

There are very astute members right here in this very forum that had me convinced that this was illegal - treasonous even. People on Fox News, which I consider the top of the heap as far as honesty and fairness is concerned. Maybe 2nd only to Britebart.

I think Trump himself is going to wind up in a cell next to Hillary! At the very least, Kellyanne Conway.

This is serious stuff here.

AMEN!

Powell, Obama, clinton, Huma, and Trump, all in a tidy row

Fantastic!

 

[Meadmaker]

She did commit a crime. I have shown stated this over and over again in this thread.

Fixed that for you.

(I generally don't like that pattern, but, this time, it seems appropriate.)

What you have shown is that there is a statute which could be interpreted in such a way to make Ms. Clinton's actions criminal. However, no one would ever prosecute her. If they prosecuted all similar actions, no one would ever take a job handling classified data, because the risk wouldn't be worth it. It would be too easy to accidentally commit a crime. The level of violation that occurred occurs every day. Director Comey said it right way back last summer. The investigation was complete. The evidence was reviewed. There were no grounds for criminal prosecution. That finding was reviewed again, and affirmed, a few days before the election.

And Director Comey is keeping his job, so it seems Mr. Trump is satisfied with his performance. Well good on Trump. Comey did a good job. He should stay.

And Trump knew that. And he said something else. He lied.

 

[wareyin]

AMEN!

Powell, Obama, clinton, Huma, and Trump, all in a tidy row

Fantastic!

Careful! You are veering awfully close to the knowledge that what the right spent years throwing a hissy fit about Clinton doing was actually routine, commonplace, the same thing big wigs in the right have been doing, and (most importantly) not criminal.

 

[The Big Dog]

Careful! You are veering awfully close to the knowledge that what the right spent years throwing a hissy fit about Clinton doing was actually routine, commonplace, the same thing big wigs in the right have been doing, and (most importantly) not criminal.

Or more likely calling your pal on his obviously fallacious position

 

[wareyin]

Or more likely calling your pal on his obviously fallacious position

What was I thinking? Of course the truth must be avoided! Carry on ignoring what is obvious!

 

[The Big Dog]

What was I thinking? Of course the truth must be avoided! Carry on ignoring what is obvious!

Well it is obvious that his comment was not serious and was fallacious.

Now if you think he was serious that Clinton committed a crime too, lets talk about it! As it was, he is making a very bad argument that some people might be hypocritical, which is just a bad argument all around.

 

[NoahFence]

Well it is obvious that his comment was not serious and was fallacious.

Now if you think he was serious that Clinton committed a crime too, lets talk about it! As it was, he is making a very bad argument that some people might be hypocritical, which is just a bad argument all around.

And yet extremely accurate.

 

[wareyin]

Well it is obvious that his comment was not serious and was fallacious.

Now if you think he was serious that Clinton committed a crime too, lets talk about it! As it was, he is making a very bad argument that some people might be hypocritical, which is just a bad argument all around.

I think he was serious that Clinton's actions were the same as vast amounts of politicians on the left and the right since email became useful. Unfortunately for your position, these actions are not criminal, whether done on the left or on the right. Of course, you are currently claiming that even the politicians you support should be jailed for actions which are not criminal, which appears to not be a hypocritical stance, just one which is ignorant of both the law and the situation.

 

[The Big Dog]

And yet extremely accurate.

psst: can i let you in on a bit of a secret? It is extremely accurate because you proved yourself to be a hypocrite.

Don't use appeal to hypocrisy as an argument, the person you torch just might be yourself!

 

[NoahFence]

psst: can i let you in on a bit of a secret? It is extremely accurate because you proved yourself to be a hypocrite.

Don't use appeal to hypocrisy as an argument, the person you torch just might be yourself!

Did I now?

That's adorable. Do tell!

 

[wareyin]

Did I now?

That's adorable. Do tell!

In bizarro conservative world, one is a hypocrite for applying standards equally, rather than the proper "it's OK if a Republican did it" method.

 

[The Big Dog]

Did I now?

That's adorable. Do tell!

It is adorable! Because the second you sniffed the scent that trump might be acting like a clinton level ass, you were here likety split to point it out, yet did not do the same for the Loser over all that time.

 

[NoahFence]

It is adorable! Because the second you sniffed the scent that trump might be acting like a clinton level ass, you were here likety split to point it out, yet did not do the same for the Loser over all that time.

Of course I did.

The difference being that I was willing to look past it. I never saw it as the disqualifying national poutrage that the right sees it as. I gave her the benefit of the doubt, that if elected she would have not made the same mistake.

You'd think that if it were the big deal you people made it out to be, the folks you so gleefully put in office wouldn't so brazenly do the same damn thing.

 

[The Big Dog]

Of course I did.

The difference being that I was willing to look past it. I never saw it as the disqualifying national poutrage that the right sees it as. I gave her the benefit of the doubt, that if elected she would have not made the same mistake.

You'd think that if it were the big deal you people made it out to be, the folks you so gleefully put in office wouldn't so brazenly do the same damn thing.

I put in office? Um, I was the one who was telling you that Clinton was unelectable and to drop her like a hot potato, and you did not listen to me and she lost to Donald trump.

Now the fact that Donald Trump is doing something superficially similar (hell maybe the same damn thing, I don't actually know at this point) is not exactly rebounding to your benefit, now is it?

 

[NoahFence]

I put in office? Um, I was the one who was telling you that Clinton was unelectable and to drop her like a hot potato, and you did not listen to me and she lost to Donald trump.

Now the fact that Donald Trump is doing something superficially similar (hell maybe the same damn thing, I don't actually know at this point) is not exactly rebounding to your benefit, now is it?

Republicans elected Trump. Not people who supported Clinton.

She was supremely qualified. Had connections the world over. Experience as both a senator and a Secretary of State.

All of the knocks against her were either fabricated or hugely overblown. I trusted America to be smarter.

Republicans had 16 other choices. SIXTEEN. This mess that we're in now is on them. PERIOD.