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Armitage72 said:
...If he's this upset three days into his term, he'd better buckle up. It's going to be a rough four years (or however long he lasts).
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Watching this whole thing unfold, I am increasingly suspicious if Trump will remain President for the whole four years. Especially seeing how stressed out he is because the media said "his" crowd was smaller than "Obama's." How will a real crisis effect him?

In earlier years he said in interviews that "getting" meant more to him than "having." That by the time he accomplished something he often lost interest in having it. I wouldn't give odds on Trump resigning but I think it's a possibility.
 
newyorkguy said:
I guess everybody's piling on you -- sorry! -- but do we know the groping was consensual? I don't think we do. What could a woman do exactly? If it was a production assistant back stage who did the groping he probably gets slapped or the woman complains to management. When it's a mega-celebrity they know they don't have much recourse unless Trump gets completely out of control.

Most women would consider being groped that way to be humiliating. If you don't believe me, ask one. ;)
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It's a tough call. Yes, assault is a thing, and it's real, and it shouldn't be downplayed. On the other hand, there are a lot of rock stars and movie gods out there that have groupies. Groupies are also a real thing.

For those who came forward and said that Trump's advances were unwanted, it was definitely assault. What I don't know is what portion of the women he groped viewed it that way. If, for example, he groped 100 women, and 99 of them loved it (as groupies), he could feasibly be completely unaware that 1 of those 100 was offended by his actions.

That doesn't excuse his actions, but it does add some plausibility to his belief that they were not assaults.
 
newyorkguy said:
Watching this whole thing unfold, I am increasingly suspicious if Trump will remain President for the whole four years. Especially seeing how stressed out he is because the media said "his" crowd was smaller than "Obama's." How will a real crisis effect him?

In earlier years he said in interviews that "getting" meant more to him than "having." That by the time he accomplished something he often lost interest in having it. I wouldn't give odds on Trump resigning but I think it's a possibility.
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That is what worries me.
 
CynicalSkeptic said:
How about a lawsuit from these guys?

Erwin Chemerinsky - Dean of School of Law at University of California, Irvine
http://www.law.uci.edu/faculty/full-time/chemerinsky

Norman L. Eisen - ethics attorney, former Obama administration
https://www.brookings.edu/experts/norman-eisen

Deepak Gupta, Supreme Court litigator (3 cases currently pending before the court)
http://guptawessler.com/people/deepak-gupta

Richard W. Painter, ethics counsel, former George W. Bush administration
https://www.law.umn.edu/profiles/richard-w-painter

Zephyr Teachout, Fordham University law professor, expert in the Emoluments Clause
https://www.fordham.edu/info/23186/zephyr_teachout

Laurence H. Tribe - Harvard constitutional scholar
http://hls.harvard.edu/faculty/directory/10899/Tribe
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Litigation can accomplish several purposes. Not all lawsuits are winnable, nor are they all intended to be won. Good lawyers know all this.

Is this the group that filed the lawsuit against him on the grounds that his business holdings were unconstitutional? It will be interesting to follow. My guess is it will be dismissed on standing grounds. However, that is just a guess, or perhaps a tiny bit more. I like following cases like that one, though. I find it fascinating to read the legal reasoning employed.
 
Armitage72 said:
Sean Spicer just gave a briefing in which he complained that it's "demoralizing" and "unbelievably frustrating" when the media doesn't support Trump.

Maybe Trump needs a Safe Space where people can't say mean things about him. Maybe the media needs to use Trigger Warnings before they talk about him.

If he's this upset three days into his term, he'd better buckle up. It's going to be a rough four years (or however long he lasts).
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Trump makes razor thin skinned, whiny demands that would make the most self-righteous SJW blush, and his supporters can't get enough. Hypocrisy on an exponential level.
 
newyorkguy said:
Watching this whole thing unfold, I am increasingly suspicious if Trump will remain President for the whole four years. Especially seeing how stressed out he is because the media said "his" crowd was smaller than "Obama's." How will a real crisis effect him?

In earlier years he said in interviews that "getting" meant more to him than "having." That by the time he accomplished something he often lost interest in having it. I wouldn't give odds on Trump resigning but I think it's a possibility.
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His crowd and his genitals! What a loser. If he can do 4 years he has exceded Jesse Ventura, who barely showed up in the end.

Trump today:
Our President, Donald J. Trump, has just issued a proclamation declaring his own inauguration day to be a “National Day of Patriotic Devotion.”
 
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Meadmaker said:
Litigation can accomplish several purposes. Not all lawsuits are winnable, nor are they all intended to be won. Good lawyers know all this.

Is this the group that filed the lawsuit against him on the grounds that his business holdings were unconstitutional? It will be interesting to follow. My guess is it will be dismissed on standing grounds. However, that is just a guess, or perhaps a tiny bit more. I like following cases like that one, though. I find it fascinating to read the legal reasoning employed.
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Trump keeps saying he has handed over his businesses to his kids yet none of the documents that would be required have been filed.
 
Meadmaker said:
...My guess is it will be dismissed on standing grounds...
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I'm not a lawyer either but do you mean standing as in they don't have it? I wonder if they might. First of all, most of them appear to be pretty accomplished attorneys or law professors so you think they'd know. Second, they're suing the President of the country in which they are citizens. Suing him on the basis he is violating the law in a way that will impact his ability to lead the United States in a true and faithful manner. That suggests to me they may have standing, that any American citizen would.

Btw, the same group of lawyers who are suing him have said, or at least some of them have, handing over the businesses for his children to run is not a blind trust.
 
Emily's Cat said:
It's a tough call. Yes, assault is a thing, and it's real, and it shouldn't be downplayed. On the other hand, there are a lot of rock stars and movie gods out there that have groupies. Groupies are also a real thing.

For those who came forward and said that Trump's advances were unwanted, it was definitely assault. What I don't know is what portion of the women he groped viewed it that way. If, for example, he groped 100 women, and 99 of them loved it (as groupies), he could feasibly be completely unaware that 1 of those 100 was offended by his actions.

That doesn't excuse his actions, but it does add some plausibility to his belief that they were not assaults.
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Do you think that the fashion show contestants whose dressing rooms he bragged about being able to barge in on at will were all Trump groupies?
 
newyorkguy said:
I'm not a lawyer either but do you mean standing as in they don't have it? I wonder if they might. First of all, most of them appear to be pretty accomplished attorneys or law professors so you think they'd know. Second, they're suing the President of the country in which they are citizens. Suing him on the basis he is violating the law in a way that will impact his ability to lead the United States in a true and faithful manner. That suggests to me they may have standing, that any American citizen would.

Btw, the same group of lawyers who are suing him have said, or at least some of them have, handing over the businesses for his children to run is not a blind trust.
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Generally, American citizens can't sue the government for the things the government does as government. I don't this area of law very much at all, but I do know that in order to have standing to sue, you have to be able to show direct, specific, harm, to you, arising from the actions of the person you are suing. You can't sue someone for doing something illegal. You have to show that the illegal thing they did harmed you.

The only thing I'm certain of in this area of law is that you can't sue the government, or any part of it, on the grounds that they are spending your tax dollars unwisely/illegally/anything. Lots have tried. They have all failed. Misappropriation of your tax dollars has, very specifically, been turned down as having specific harm to you. The examples I've read specifically dealing with the issue have been freedom of religion cases. It is alleged that a government action supported one religion over another, and a person not of that religion says that he was harmed when his taxes were used to help a different religion. No luck. No standing. Not specific harm. If that isn't specific enough to come up with standing to sue, I can't imagine how standing would be granted to any ordinary American citizen for a President doing something. There are 300 million Americans. If any of them had standing whenever they felt that an unconstitutional act or a crime had been committed, the President would never get out of court.

As you note, Laurence Tribe et. al. are pretty good lawyers, so they ought to know, but they are also good enough lawyers to know that you can gain advantage by suing someone, even if you lose the case. If they can get as far as discovery, they can force Trump to hand over documents he would prefer not to hand over. Perhaps even testify under oath. Who cares if they don't win? They could get some embarrassing things into the public view, or maybe even, dare we think it, an impeachment for perjury.

I won't pretend to know what they are thinking, whether they really think they have a case or not. We'll see more as various court papers are filed.
 
As it was explained by the lawyer spokesperson on CNN, they have a nonprofit that investigates corruption in the federal government and Trump's tangled web costs their organization all their funds.
 
Another Trump lie, one that will affect a lot of people:
President Trump on Monday signed an executive order instituting a hiring freeze on all nonmilitary federal employees. At a press briefing, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said that the move “counters the dramatic expansion of the federal workforce in recent years.”
In both raw-number and percentage terms, this is an inaccurate statement. ......
In raw-number terms, the number of federal employees is nearly the same today (2.8 million) as it was when Barack Obama took office (2.79 million). It is also similar to the number of federal employees at the end of the Clinton administration (2.75 million) and lower than at any time during the Reagan administration (when it peaked at 3.15 million).
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rid_collaborative_3_na&utm_term=.7f83b2423607

If you can't get through to the IRS during tax season, this is one reason.
 
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Trump lies because it gets him what he wants:
Anyone who is not considering the possibility that this may be an outgrowth of Trump’s well-established authoritarian streak is missing what may be happening here. As libertarian writer Jacob Levy has written, Trump may be experimenting with a time-tested tactic, in which a leader “with authoritarian tendencies” will regularly lie in order to get others to internalize his lies, as “a way to demonstrate and strengthen his power over them.”
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-to-react-accordingly/?utm_term=.e3b10d400dde
http://niskanencenter.org/blog/authoritarianism-post-truth-politics/
 
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