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A bill to reduce gun silencer restrictions

Reheat said:
This issue (not the proposed bill itself) has already been discussed in the Trump thread. Don't worry, you'll get the pile on of naysayers shortly. It mimics "the river of blood in the streets" meme from the Brady Bunch regarding anything that makes the purchase or possession of anything gun related a little easier for legitimate users.
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I am for gun control, and even i in the thread was not against less Restriction.
 
Ranb said:
To reduce noise at the muzzle.


What kind of silencers are you using that do this? Mine do not as far as I know most others do not either since the bullet doesn't touch the baffles. While the muzzle blast is contained in the tube which can potentially upset bullet flight further, the blast baffle strips the gases away from the front of the muzzle and slows them down enough so they can no longer interfere with bullet flight.


Most silencers are not permanently attached but are screw on or use a quick disconnect. In what way do you think they are cumbersome? What do you mean by "and so on"?

My suppressed SBR AR-15 has an overall length shorter than many standard AR-15's. Is it more cumbersome due to the silencer being attached?


Only if you think 100 decibels and up is silent.
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I was thinking of handguns as much as rifles but I do think all of them must be modified to receive a silencer don't they?

As to noise, a $10 ear protector will be just as effective if not more so.

As to AR-15s, there are better rifles for target shooting or hunting. I never understand why people want to play military without joining the military; adults that is.
 
Elind said:
I was thinking of handguns as much as rifles but I do think all of them must be modified to receive a silencer don't they?

As to noise, a $10 ear protector will be just as effective if not more so.

As to AR-15s, there are better rifles for target shooting or hunting. I never understand why people want to play military without joining the military; adults that is.
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When I shoot, I am practicing to kill people. I want the best tools for the job.
 
Surely a silencer is only used by those politically correct types, it's a bit like wearing a condom when raping someone which, no doubt the liberal, social justice warrior types complain about too.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Silencers are just toy accessories that gun-enthusiasts want so they can think they are "cool."
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Again with the broad brush.

After 15 years of designing and making my own silencers they are just mufflers to me. Even if it makes my M1 carbine "more cool", on that rifle the excessive blow back through the chamber makes it much less comfortable to shoot with the silencer attached. The last time I shot the carbine suppressed was to show another shooter one of the drawbacks of silencers on gas operated rifles.

I have a few silencers I typically take to the range to lend to other shooters; this is how I promote their use. About half of the shooters decline to try them out as they are just not interested; I suppose they're not as "cool" as you think?

thaiboxerken said:
I just do. Like Trump, I know things.
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Every bigot I've had the displeasure of meeting has told me the same thing.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
Silencers are just toy accessories that gun-enthusiasts want so they can think they are "cool."
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That is a good thing. A lot of people's jobs depend on people wanting things they think are cool. Most of us work past the point of just meeting needs to buy things we think are cool.
 
Elind said:
Slipping on ear protectors is both cheaper and more practical. Any other reasons you can think of, other than movie role play?
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Silencers actually reduce gun noise, for everyone. Ear protectors only protect the person wearing them. Would you advocate hearing protection for drivers and people living next to highways instead of mufflers for trucks and cars? Probably not, so I can't really believe you're being serious when you make the above claim.

Silencers when properly used are much more practical than ear protection only. The excessive tax only makes them less so as this discourages their use. Reducing the noise of the machine allows the user to remain more aware of their environment instead of dulling one of their senses. Don't you agree?
 
Silencers sound like a good idea to anybody who has ever stood near a full caliber rifle being shot.

I'm a volunteer range safety officer at a local range. But I won't work the rifle range.

Look, if I feel the shockwave hit my chest with an oooomph, I just don't think a lot of exposure is good for me. Or my ears, regardless of protectors.

Of course, it is very common for full bore rifles to have various 'ports', muzzles blast deflectors, that make the impact on bystanders worse. See, about 40% of the recoil of a rifle is from the powder gasses. Gasses exiting upwards or to the side lower the recoil. But blast the eardrums out of bystanders.

So yeah, noise suppressors that cut down on shcok waves are good idea.
 
Elind said:
I was thinking of handguns as much as rifles but I do think all of them must be modified to receive a silencer don't they?
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Not all of them. Many guns come standard with threaded muzzles to which a silencer can be readily attached. If not and the barrel is round, it is usually a simple matter for a gunsmith to thread it.

Semi-auto pistols that are of the Browning or modified Browning design (barrel tilts and moves back on recoil) require a spring loaded rear end cap on the silencer to enable the pistol to function as semi-automatic. Some others will also require a slightly lighter recoil spring, but this is easy to swap out by the owner by removing the slide as it done for normal cleaning. The Barretta 92F uses a straight recoil mechanism.

As to noise, a $10 ear protector will be just as effective if not more so.
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Only for the person wearing them. Using a silencer and hearing protection, if I choose to do so makes the gun much more comfortable. I know that the person standing next to me on the rifle line much prefer I use a silencer instead of a muzzle brake so that their ears (and hair) don't take a beating when I pull the trigger.

As to AR-15s, there are better rifles for target shooting or hunting. I never understand why people want to play military without joining the military; adults that is.
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Ever see the AR-15's used for competition? They're not standard issue and I've never seen one in mil-spec configuration with an auto-sear. The sights, barrel and hand guards are different and they're typically much heavier. Generally not something suitable for combat or else they would use them.

To me going to the range or the woods with a semi-auto rifle is not playing military. I'm retired military and merely shooting is not enough to be playing soldier.
 
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imodium said:
Surely a silencer is only used by those politically correct types....
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Wow, when this actually becomes the social norm we will have gone so far to the right that we become the new left and want to give ourselves back to England. :)
 
Ranb said:
Silencers actually reduce gun noise, for everyone. Ear protectors only protect the person wearing them. Would you advocate hearing protection for drivers and people living next to highways instead of mufflers for trucks and cars? Probably not, so I can't really believe you're being serious when you make the above claim.

Silencers when properly used are much more practical than ear protection only. The excessive tax only makes them less so as this discourages their use. Reducing the noise of the machine allows the user to remain more aware of their environment instead of dulling one of their senses. Don't you agree?
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Yes I agree, when talking of Seals or the like. As to my neighbors shooting with or without silencers, that's a no no.
 
I asked the former LAPD-officer who took me shooting if silencers "really" worked the way they do in movies, reducing the gun blast to the sound of someone spitting. To my surprise, he answered, "pretty much." If silencers are allowed, then I'm totally going to train to become an assassin!
 
So silencers are the things that make the gun go from "POW POW" to "pew pew", right? Sorry, I'm not a gun person.
 
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