Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator

[jaydeehess]

michaelsuede has done an excellent job of diverting from the questions he and Mills can't answer by harping on about patents.

The question remains that since Mills has been able to control this reaction and create a hell of a lot of heat for apparently decades why it isn't in some form already on the market?

There hasn't been any reason for it not going to market since he had his first "generator" up and running, unless of course it simply does not work as he claims it does.

Well, we are just biding time as the clock ticks forward to testing and then production fresh or recycled excuses for not having production models for sale or (inexplicably) lease.

 

[halleyscomet]

You appear with this language to tacitly accept their existence, or possible existence.

For the context of the story it will be assumed they exist, The Mills theories about them are accurate and the generator they claim to be building actually functions. The goal is to explore the environmental and health consequences of the claims, not assess if the claims are accurate or not.

Remember, "Lord of the Rings" assumes Hobbits exist.

Have you read Asimov's "The Gods Themselves"? If not, I would suggest you do so, for two reasons:

(1) To make sure you don't end up writing it again; and,

(2) Dude, it's Asimov.



Dave

Those are two very compelling arguments. I'll check it out.

 

[MikeG]

Have you read Asimov's "The Gods Themselves"? If not, I would suggest you do so, for two reasons:
(1) To make sure you don't end up writing it again; and,
(2) Dude, it's Asimov.

Dave

Careful. You're going native.

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

It is the MO. Change your name and hide. It has been going on for decades.

How well does that work in the internet age?

Hell, www.blacklightpower.com redirects to brilliantlightpower.com/

I don't think they're trying to hide at all, just present a friendlier sounding name.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Somebody found how is it supposed to work ? I know .. Hydrisomethings .. but I mean the device details itself. In videos I've seen:

- heavy pipe surrounded by thin pipes
- something so bright you couldn't tell details
- some streams going into a chamber from opposite directions

So what am I looking at ? Where does the hydrogen go in ? Where does the Hydrisomething go out ? Where does the power go out ? Where are the photocells ?

 

[jaydeehess]

How well does that work in the internet age?

Hell, www.blacklightpower.com redirects to brilliantlightpower.com/

I don't think they're trying to hide at all, just present a friendlier sounding name.

It works the same way fake news 'works'. Most people just don't look past the surface of any report.

 

[jaydeehess]

Somebody found how is it supposed to work ? I know .. Hydrisomethings .. but I mean the device details itself. In videos I've seen:

- heavy pipe surrounded by thin pipes
- something so bright you couldn't tell details
- some streams going into a chamber from opposite directions

So what am I looking at ? Where does the hydrogen go in ? Where does the Hydrisomething go out ? Where does the power go out ? Where are the photocells ?

photocells will be in the production model.
They would surround the lamp in a geodesic dome arrangement, so in the production model you can't actually see the lamp(I assume). If you could then it would be less efficient.

 

[Horatius]

I want to thank everyone offering me feedback in the likely properties of the hydrino as described by Mills.

I want to clarify my goal in the depiction of hydrinos in the story. I'm not looking to use them as a boogeyman for a sci-fi body horror story. The goal is to take the theory seriously and explore what the properties and environmental risks would be of this byproduct if the theory is accurate. Because of this, I need the science of what I'm doing to adhere as closely as possible to the theory as described by Mills.

Yeah, I saw the additional fractional states that Mills puts forth.
Can only go so far, then the volume of influence of the electron will be directly interfering with that of the proton.
For sake of simplicity our oxymoronic fictional hydrino should have only the one lower state, make it 1/2 the #1 orbit. ( after all we have spin states denoted by the fraction 1/2, for a science-y tie in.)

BTW love the "Watts from Jesus" angle.
50 MegaJesuswatts versus the Satanic forces of resistance.

Well, if halleyscomet wants to base it as closely on Mills' claims as possible, he'll have to include the lower fractional states. I'd look into the math on the Muon Fusion I linked to earlier, and see what fractional state would cross the barrier so that the electron would be as close to the nucleus as the muon would be, because at that point spontaneous fusion is likely to occur.

Imagine if everyone had a potential H-bomb sitting in their basement.

For dramatic purposes, you could even have one wild-eyed crazy person ranting about this danger, but then have him turn out to be wrong. Everyone gets a good laugh at the nutcase, and then goes back to living, ignoring the real danger that was concealed by the fake danger.

How well does that work in the internet age?

Hell, www.blacklightpower.com redirects to brilliantlightpower.com/

I don't think they're trying to hide at all, just present a friendlier sounding name.

It actually works less well than it used to. Notice how all of the examples of previous failed efforts linked to earlier come from after 2008 or so? But Mills has been doing this since 1991. So what did he do for those years in between?

Well, he did largely the same thing, but all the press releases and such were largely only hosted by BLP, and every copy they had was deleted once the current scam cycle collapsed, so that it was very difficult to prove that it had ever happened.

Now of course, there are a lot more sites talking about such announcements, and mirroring copies, and so it's become much harder for him to erase the evidence.

 

[jaydeehess]

Well, if halleyscomet wants to base it as closely on Mills' claims as possible, he'll have to include the lower fractional states. I'd look into the math on the Muon Fusion I linked to earlier, and see what fractional state would cross the barrier so that the electron would be as close to the nucleus as the muon would be, because at that point spontaneous fusion is likely to occur.

What do you get with the fusion of a proton and electron?

Imagine if everyone had a potential H-bomb sitting in their basement.

For dramatic purposes, you could even have one wild-eyed crazy person ranting about this danger, but then have him turn out to be wrong. Everyone gets a good laugh at the nutcase, and then goes back to living, ignoring the real danger that was concealed by the fake danger.

Similar to how one requires bigger and bigger particle colliders to do the experiments that CERN does, one would require something more substantial in some way, to take the electron further and further down in level.

Doesn't it have to orbit faster to stay closer? That would limit it to "c".

 

[The Man]

Would a hydrino be stable at all. Lack if any evidence that a hydrino has ever been found, or detected would suggest thst any that if any are created are jumping back to hydrogen, Maybe you only need to fill the generator up once and it's sekf fuelling, recycling the same hydrogen?

As the photon energy to transition back would be exactly what was emitted in the transition down in the first place, the hydrinos would just absorb the emissions from other hydrogen to hydrino transitions. Thus the instability must be by some other mode, not transitioning back.

 

[halleyscomet]

As the photon energy to transition back would be exactly what was emitted in the transition down in the first place, the hydrinos would just absorb the emissions from other hydrogen to hydrino transitions. Thus the instability must be by some other mode, not transitioning back.

Good point. Unless there's a way to keep the electrons in the lower fractional orbits the reactor will just absorb energy while never releasing any usable energy.

The theory isn't even internally consistent.

Ugh.

 

[Andy_Ross]

As the photon energy to transition back would be exactly what was emitted in the transition down in the first place, the hydrinos would just absorb the emissions from other hydrogen to hydrino transitions. Thus the instability must be by some other mode, not transitioning back.

Pardon typos in there, using tiny keyboard on phone screen.

Doesn't he include a 'Catalyst' maybe that's where the magic happens?

 

[Myriad]

I want to thank everyone offering me feedback in the likely properties of the hydrino as described by Mills.

I want to clarify my goal in the depiction of hydrinos in the story. I'm not looking to use them as a boogeyman for a sci-fi body horror story. The goal is to take the theory seriously and explore what the properties and environmental risks would be of this byproduct if the theory is accurate. Because of this, I need the science of what I'm doing to adhere as closely as possible to the theory as described by Mills.

Clearly, the claims of the hydrino being inert are ********. There's nothing in the thery suggesting they could even BE inert. It's incompetent hand-waving at best, outright deception at worst. These things will be at least as reactive as regular hydrogen with the added bonus of being unstable. It's the nature of that instability I need to figure out. From there I can figure out the kind of damage they could cause.

Based on BLP's claims, there appear to be two ways to go: stable or unstable.

What we have to go on is that hydrogen atoms collapse into hydrinos giving off uv light in the process. if all the hydrogen atoms start out in the traditional ground state, and all collapse into the same fractional state (1/2), then they would all emit the same frequency photons. The reactor would be somewhat similar to a laser, in which ordinary ground state hydrogen constitutes "pumped" hydrogen and the secret catalyst is the stimulus to collapse exothermically to the lower state. (Unlike a laser, the monochromatic light would not be coherent or unidirectional, because the stimulus is not the emitted light itself.) The light is not monochromatic, though, which means the hydrogen starts out in a variety of excited states and/or collapses into a variety of fractional states.

Because they have given off some energy, hydrinos should be slightly lighter than hydrogen atoms. They still contain the same subatomic particles, so they should still have most of the mass of the hydrogen atom and should be overall neutral in charge.

Chemical interaction is a difficult question to address; it's one of those questions of what other impossibilities an assumed impossibility might lead to. We can speculate that the electron in a fractional state cannot participate in covalent bonding, but what we know of covalent bonding is based on the nature of electron orbitals deriving ultimately from quantum mechanics, which is already being broken by the existence of the fractional state in the first place. The closest analogue would be a noble gas, an atom whose outermost occupied orbital shell is "full" (or as a closer analogue still, we can say, whose next available orbital shell is "empty") and so does not bond covalently.

We might imagine these atoms as having the properties of WIMPs (weakly interacting massive particles) in cosmological theory: having the mass of a small atom would satisfy the "massive" requirement, and chemical inertness might seem sufficient to make them "weakly interacting." But they are not weakly interacting by cosmology's standard, because they interact electromagnetically, which WIMPs cannot do (which is why the latter are a hypothesized, though not currently favored, form of "dark" matter). For instance, they have (according to BMP) a detectable spectrum, which means they not only interact electromagnetically, they do so in familiar conventional ways.

Hence, it should be quite possible for a stray electron to interact with a hydrino and form a hydrino anion (I'll call it Hy-) which should in turn be highly reactive, essentially monatomic hydrogen but with a negative charge. Previously unknown compounds such as a number of hydrinos sharing a single electron, or bound covalently by two extra electrons might be possible. (Hy_n- or Hy_n--.) Such ions need not themselves be stable to be chemically active; consider, for example, the role of the hydrogen cation H+ (aka a proton) in photosynthesis. The ways a Hy- could screw up biochemistry (by, for example, replacing an H in a large molecule, but altering its overall electric charge distribution with its extra fractional electron) are rather alarming to contemplate.

The stable versus unstable question I alluded to before comes down to, how readily does the hydrino gas absorb energy from its environment in order to return to normal hydrogen atoms. Fully stable hydrino would be stuck permanently in the hydrino state (which alone doesn't make it entirely unreactive, as we just saw above), while unstable or (as I'd term it) "cold" hydrino would readily transform back into hydrogen, necessarily absorbing energy from its surroundings to do so. If unstable that way at e.g. room temperature, note that cold hydrino would add violation of the laws of thermodynamics to its retinue of impossibilities, but it could instead be an absorber of high-energy photons without invoking that problem. (It does have a spectrum, after all, supposedly.) The important part to remember is that whatever mechanism unstable hydrino returns to stable hydrogen, it requires energy rather than giving it off. I wonder whether a large enough dense enough (a given pressure of hydrino gas should be extremely dense, if we can find a way to confine it) mass of unstable hydrino gas could snuff out a nuclear detonation.

Note that hydrino could be unstable in other ways I haven't discussed here, such as readily undergoing fusion.

For completeness here's my post from a few pages ago summarizing the "known" properties according to BLP of the hydrino gas waste product. Odd that that was followed by a sudden flurry of arguments about patent law and other distracting topics.

This is not going to happen, given that if the reaction works as claimed, it releases into the atmosphere (41:35 in the linked video) a waste product that essentially represents a previously unknown state of matter with properties unknown to the material, biomedical, and environmental sciences, which by BLP's own claims cannot be contained (1:22:10 in the linked video), but which can accumulate in certain materials (1:20:50 in the linked video) including carbon (1:20:00 in the linked video).

They're going to need to do some work (a few decades' worth, it appears; they should have started in the 1990s!) to establish safe exposure limits, health and environmental impacts. Or to prove the lack of any hazard with thorough and well-controlled studies.

As of late 2016, they had one "new hire" investigating the properties of the hydrino gas waste product (1:20:29 in the linked video). I'm sure the EPA will find that very reassuring.

Of course, if the whole thing is actually a scam and there's no such thing as hydrino gas, they won't have that concern.

 

[Dave Rogers]

What do you get with the fusion of a proton and electron?

That would be one way to reverse the polarity of the neutron flux, I suppose.

Dave

 

[jaydeehess]

Pardon typos in there, using tiny keyboard on phone screen.

Doesn't he include a 'Catalyst' maybe that's where the magic happens?

Yes, silver is the catalyst.
Hydrogen, silver catalyst and an electric arc >>> hydrinos. Silver condenses and is reused.
In the story........... the high heat and presence of the catalyst would prevent reconversion, hydrinos are vented, drift to upper atmosphere where it is cold and no silver present, the heavy UV causes reconversion.

 

[The Man]

Pardon typos in there, using tiny keyboard on phone screen.

Doesn't he include a 'Catalyst' maybe that's where the magic happens?

Yeah the magic 'catalyst' is often the case in revolutionary energy source claims such as this. However, in this case it is the sub ground state transition that is claimed to be the source of the power. If some other catalyst reaction with the hydrinos was claimed to be the source or even contribute to the power output then the narrative that hydrinos are not reactive would be destroyed.

 

[jaydeehess]

That would be one way to reverse the polarity of the neutron flux, I suppose.

Dave

Neutrons,,,, of course
Or simply increase flux!!

 

[Myriad]

Yes, silver is the catalyst.
Hydrogen, silver catalyst and an electric arc >>> hydrinos. Silver condenses and is reused.
In the story........... the high heat and presence of the catalyst would prevent reconversion, hydrinos are vented, drift to upper atmosphere where it is cold and no silver present, the heavy UV causes reconversion.

Yes, there is a magic catalyst, but it's not the silver. See the link and video time marks in the quoted post of mine within my previous post.

ETA: Oops, that post didn't include mention of the catalyst. The time mark for that is 1:18:48 in the same video.

There's also an "ignition" mechanism that may or may not be the same thing as adding the catalyst.

 

[Myriad]

Yeah the magic 'catalyst' is often the case in revolutionary energy source claims such as this. However, in this case it is the sub ground state transition that is claimed to be the source of the power. If some other catalyst reaction with the hydrinos was claimed to be the source or even contribute to the power output then the narrative that hydrinos are not reactive would be destroyed.

The catalyst catalyzes the sub ground state transition that turns the hydrogen into hydrino.

 

[The Man]

What do you get with the fusion of a proton and electron?

You get a neutron and an electron neutrino.

http://education.jlab.org/glossary/electroncapture.html

However electron capture only happens in a nucleus with many protons and neutrons. A free proton will not undergo electron capture and a free neutron decays to a proton an electron and an electron anti-neutrino.