US Officially Blames Russia

Childlike Empress said:
How so? It seems there are archived /pol/ posts from last year referring to "golden shower fan fiction" pretty close to what's alleged here, which Rick Wilson was fed with according to the author. McCain -> IC link corroborated. So we have the McMullin interlink missing, of which I can't imagine how the anonymous flow charters should know about, and some evolvement of the story on the way. Your sentence makes no sense to me. Feel free to elaborate, I'm certainly open to change my mind which is by now selfishly prefering the "4chan trolled IC" version because this would just be so epic.
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there are reports linking to a real ex mi-6 author
who works for a real known firm in the private spy biz

so the invented by 4chan link is BS
 
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The CIA, FBI and NSA have data that is easily debunked by 4chan fanboys........ right....
 
Stacko said:
If I'm reading the Schengen Agreement correctly, they don't mark the passport for travel from member states.
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It would get a stamp when you flew into the EU, just not between countries. But I still say Cohen has two passports.

The question is, who is the other Cohen who coincidentally has the same name and birthdate and who traveled to Prague?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It would get a stamp when you flew into the EU, just not between countries. But I still say Cohen has two passports.

The question is, who is the other Cohen who coincidentally has the same name and birthdate and who traveled to Prague?
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Same year different day supposedly.
 
Let's also remember that the "Cohen in Prague" claim may be among the many which did not make it into the 2 pages the intelligence agencies consider credible and so digging into it may be an exercise in futility.
 
Donald Trump Wasn’t Told About Unverified Russia Dossier, Official Says

by William M. Arkin, Cynthia McFadden, Alexey Eremenko and Alexander Smith

President-elect Donald Trump was not told about unverified reports that Russia has compromising information on him during last week's intelligence briefing, according to a senior intelligence official with knowledge of preparations for the briefing.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...jects-dossier-alleged-russia-dealings-n705586
 
zorro99 said:
President-elect Donald Trump was not told about unverified reports that Russia has compromising information on him during last week's intelligence briefing, according to a senior intelligence official with knowledge of preparations for the briefing.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...jects-dossier-alleged-russia-dealings-n705586
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What would be boggling would be Trump not knowing this stuff had been washing around in newsrooms for months. They must have known about it at Breitbart at the very least. Did it really not get through the membrane which surrounds Trump? Perhaps not.
 
Wilson denies being the 4Chan dupe

Rick WilsonFollow
GOP Media Guy, Dad, Pilot, Hunter, Amateur Epistemologist, Cognitive Engineer, Cutter of Brush.Tweets mine, not my clients' obvs. DMs off-record. #TeamWilson
11 hrs ago
Fool Chan

If you believe the Russian/4chan spin that this information came from them, you can’t use a calendar, or common sense. This information on Trump’s various personal and business dealings in Russia was being pursued by major campaigns and by major media to my knowledge as early as late July of 2015, and the “Ritz Carlton” information was out in the summer of 2016.

https://medium.com/@therickwilson/fool-chan-e97fba24384f#.hjk60a17q
 
Greenwald:

Glenn Greenwald said:
[...] cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?

All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it. [...]
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Would you believe me if I told you that my Russian sources told me that Teh Donald has bought a nice piece of real estate in Siberia from Putin where he plans to create some amazing, yuuge old fashioned labour camps? Well, maybe you wouldn't, but at this point I'm not sure about some characters in the "Intelligence Community". ;)
 
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It's a good read, and corresponds to the same conclusion I reached.

The other reason this may backfire on Trump opponents is that it overshadows the DNI report that was released a few days ago, and will be conflated with it in the public consciousness. This one is more salacious, less credible. It's a big favor to Trump really, an own goal.

From the intercept article:
Back in October, a political operative and former employee of the British intelligence agency MI6 was being paid by Democrats to dig up dirt on Trump (before that, he was paid by anti-Trump Republicans). He tried to convince countless media outlets to publish a long memo he had written filled with explosive accusations about Trump’s treason, business corruption and sexual escapades, with the overarching theme that Trump was in servitude to Moscow because they were blackmailing and bribing him.

Despite how many had it, no media outlets published it. That was because these were anonymous claims unaccompanied by any evidence at all, and even in this more permissive new media environment, nobody was willing to be journalistically associated with it. As the New York Times’ Executive Editor Dean Baquet put it last night, he would not publish these “totally unsubstantiated” allegations because “we, like others, investigated the allegations and haven’t corroborated them, and we felt we’re not in the business of publishing things we can’t stand by.”
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What changed was the intelligence community’s resolution to cause this all to become public and to be viewed as credible. In December, John McCain provided a copy of this report to the FBI and demanded they take it seriously.

At some point last week, the chiefs of the intelligence agencies decided to declare that this ex-British intelligence operative was “credible” enough that his allegations warranted briefing both Trump and Obama about them, thus stamping some sort of vague, indirect, and deniable official approval on these accusations. Someone — by all appearances, numerous officials — then went to CNN to tell them they had done this, causing CNN to go on-air and, in the gravest of tones, announce the “Breaking News” that “the nation’s top intelligence officials” briefed Obama and Trump that Russia had compiled information that “compromised President-elect Trump.”

CNN refused to specify what these allegations were on the ground that they could not “verify” them. But with this document in the hands of multiple media outlets, it was only a matter of time — a small amount of time — before someone would step up and publish the whole thing. Buzzfeed quickly obliged, airing all of the unvetted, anonymous claims about Trump.

Its editor-in-chief Ben Smith published a memo explaining that decision, saying that—- although there “is serious reason to doubt the allegations” — Buzzfeed in general “errs on the side of publication” and “Americans can make up their own minds about the allegations.” Publishing this document predictably produced massive traffic (and thus profit) for the site, with millions of people viewing the article and presumably reading the “dossier.”
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The editor of Buzzfeed said that there “is serious reason to doubt the allegations” but published them anyway.

Now look at the risible Facebook comments on the Buzzfeed article:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensing...es-to-russia?utm_term=.ayxjOdvP2x#.wcNz5MKQwj

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This will only backfire if the anti-Trump camp is more self-concious than all the pro-Trump trolls who believe in Pizzagate.
Seriously, since no real excrement seems to stick to Trump, slinging some fake poo isn't much of an issue IMO. Trump&co are the last persons who are in a moral position to complain about fake allegations.
 
I know these shady Russian oligarchs are good at making money from corrupt privatizations and bank fraud, and money laundering, and that the Russian secret police and Soviet justice violates the rule of law, and that Stalin bumped off most of his Army Generals and Colonels before the second world war. Yeltsin was a drunken peasant protected by the CIA, and Russia may not be good at making things. They may interfere in elections with regime change, like CIA political intelligence officers, but surely the thing to do is not for Americans and Britishers to moan about it, but to suggest improvements. Sanctions and the threat of violence just interferes with international trade.
 
Henri McPhee said:
I know these shady Russian oligarchs are good at making money from corrupt privatizations and bank fraud, and money laundering, and that the Russian secret police and Soviet justice violates the rule of law, and that Stalin bumped off most of his Army Generals and Colonels before the second world war. Yeltsin was a drunken peasant protected by the CIA, and Russia may not be good at making things. They may interfere in elections with regime change, like CIA political intelligence officers, but surely the thing to do is not for Americans and Britishers to moan about it, but to suggest improvements. Sanctions and the threat of violence just interferes with international trade.
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Yeah, if we simply 'suggest' that Putin stop interfering in US elections, it'll all work out.
 
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