Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator

[bruto]

I love the circularity of the argument that a patent for a non working device should be allowed, after arguments that the possession of patents is evidence that a device is real.

But I do think the altruism of the inventors is admirable. They never go off and just make money on their invention, even though it's clear such an invention would result in fame and fortune beyond most people's wildest dreams. They always involve investors, so that the investors will partake of the glorious results. How kind they are.

 

[halleyscomet]

The Wikipedia article on this company is fascinating.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Light_Power

The "Legal threats to physicists" section is particularly disturbing. You don't threaten to sue scientists critical of your theories, you produce research to address them.

 

[Dr.Sid]

It was also big on CNN it seems .. how can you vote a president with news agencies like that, US ? Oh wait ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHCRp7TpoU

 

[Horatius]

But isn't that an inaccurate description of what Mills claims is happening?

Well, if we're going to critique the Fake Science in your book.....

Hydrinos. Slightly altered hydrogen atoms. Just a few extra electrons.

It's not a few extra electrons; it's an existing electron that has been moved to a lower ground state. Mills refers to these as fractional states

https://www.google.com/patents/US20090123360

This catalysis releases energy with a commensurate decrease in size of the hydrogen atom, rn=naH. For example, the catalysis of H(n=1) to H(n=1/2) releases 40.8 eV, and the hydrogen radius decreases from aH to
1/2aH.

There may also be even more fractional states:

Moreover, further catalytic transitions may occur:
n = 1/2 -> 1/3 , 1/3 -> 1/4 , 1/4 -> 1/5, and so on. Once catalysis begins, hydrinos autocatalyze further in a process called disproportionation

Which brings up another problem. Mills first started out trying to explain Cold Fusion, but has in recent years distanced himself from CF. But there actually is a type of "cold" fusion: Muon catalyzed fusion:

They are similar to electrons, but are about 207 times more massive. If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 196[1][2] times closer than in a normal molecule, due to the reduced mass being 196 times the mass of an electron. When the nuclei are this close together, the probability of nuclear fusion is greatly increased, to the point where a significant number of fusion events can happen at room temperature.

So if these hydrinos do exist, and can "autocatalyze" to lower and lower states, why do they never end up actually fusing, as we see with Muon catalyzed fusion? Why do we never end up with heliuminos?

 

[aleCcowaN]

Bottom line, Mills has valid patent protection in the US and abroad for all of his inventions.

Which ones? Can you write down here an up-to-10-year-old patent number from Mills, his collaborators and any company he's is engage with in this matter, or are you just making things up as the thread goes on?

 

[aleCcowaN]

The "Legal threats to physicists" section is particularly disturbing. You don't threaten to sue scientists critical of your theories, you produce research to address them.

It's like Scientology.

And me thinking that this hydrino was just a cool Italian elementary particle!

 

[michaelsuede]

The problem is, that's not how people like Mills use their patents. He knows full well that he'll never use them in court to defend against an infringement. What he does, is use them as a vehicle to solicit investors. There's a strong tendency in many people to assume that, if it's patented, it really works. So having an issued patent, or even just a pending patent application, suggests to investors that there is some substance to his claims, and so he acquires a veneer of respectability. He then fleeces them for all he can, which as of the last reports I heard, was $60,000,000.

And that's the harm that you ignore.

So you're concerned about some rich people getting fleeced...

You do realize that in order to invest in BrLP, you have to be a certified private investor, right?

So you're claiming people with over a million in liquid assets need this kind of protection because they are too stupid to do their own due diligence or know what they are investing in - right?

I think it's more because you don't want any challenges to standing theory actually making it into the market.

 

[Horatius]

So you're concerned about some rich people getting fleeced...

You do realize that in order to invest in BrLP, you have to be a certified private investor, right?

You do realize that BLP isn't the only con game exploiting this weakness, right?

See, some of us can entertain two whole thoughts at once.

 

[Sideroxylon]

What colours are these things going to be available in?

 

[michaelsuede]

Yeah, just keep posting that delusional stuff. Fact of the matter is, you seem to think that "a global patent ... which has standing virtually everywhere, including the US" somehow overcomes the problem with the US being "too pigheaded to grant (you) a patent". It's clear that you think this "global patent" would be valid in the US, no matter how you now choose to spin your words.

ETA: and in reviewing this post, I just noticed that you don't even know the proper sequence in which to do things. Hint: if you follow the schedule posted above, you would almost certainly end up screwing yourself out of the vast majority of your potential patents in various jurisdictions.

And there you do it again. There's no such thing as a "valid WIPO patent".

Bottom line, no he doesn't. Bottom line is, the vast majority of his patent applications have been rejected, both in the US and elsewhere. It's plainly obvious that you don't even understand the basics of patents enough to see this.

Mills has standing in Canada, Israel and with the WIPO. He can go to market in any of those countries. At that point he will have a demonstrable product and can demand legal protection from any participating member state.

Let's go back to NOLO.

"Most industrialized countries are also members of the PCT, a treaty that enables inventors to file a relatively economical international application in their home country within one year of their home country filing date. "

But it doesn't stop there.

"There are two advantages in filing a PCT application: the inventor obtains a filing date that is good in every member country in which the inventor seeks patent protection; and an initial international patent search will be conducted and PCT member countries will rely heavily on this search."

So because Mills has standing in a member state and has international applications on file, he can go back to the US office with a working device and get a patent that's back-dated to the time of filing with the PCT.

If the US still refuses to grant a patent, Mills can again take them to court. There's no way a judge is going to deny a patent application on a fully functional device that already has standing patents on file with member states.

Now technically you are correct that there is no such thing as a valid WIPO patent, but his CA, IL and WO patents on file with the WIPO are essentially just that - they give him the right to back date his patents practically everywhere.

My original statement still stands. First you get a patent filed in a member state, then you file with WIPO.

 

[michaelsuede]

You do realize that BLP isn't the only con game exploiting this weakness, right?

See, some of us can entertain two whole thoughts at once.

So there's a lot of publicly listed con companies out there fleecing the idiot masses through their abuse of the patent system?

Give me a break.

 

[jaydeehess]

But isn't that an inaccurate description of what Mills claims is happening?

In the standard model of a hydrogen atom it is one electron orbiting one proton. That electron can be in various set orbital levels, aka energy states.
Standard model physics/chemistry denotes a lowest energy state.
If an electron is in a higher orbit/energy level (think of it as being hot), and falls back to a lower one (being now cooler), the atom sends off the difference in energy, a photon. The frequency of which is determined by the energy the atom must release.

Mills says his machine forces the electron in the hydrogen to a orbit that is lower than the standard model of physics says is possible.

This would mean the electron could not be as we presently understand it to be, or has been altered somehow to allow such a thing (would it still be an electron then,,,,?)

I totally forget the details, but neutrons, protons and electrons, iirc, are all "made of" (in quotes because that is not quite the right phrase, but easy to understand) various quarks and neutrinos.
Thus I suggested that your story have the electron altered with an extra neutrino or a newly discovered type of neutrino. ( neutrinos have no charge thus nit altering an electrons charge).

 

[hecd2]

So there's a lot of publicly listed con companies out there fleecing the idiot masses through their abuse of the patent system?

Give me a break.

Wait - I thought you said BLP was not publicly traded. There are many examples of non-publicly traded companies that are or have been trying to fleece investors. Some of them have even been discussed on this forum. BLP is no different in this respect from, for example, the device that allows you to scuba dive by providing you with gills and liquid oxygen (although, perhaps, marginally more sophisticated).

 

[aleCcowaN]

So there's a lot of publicly listed con companies out there fleecing the idiot masses through their abuse of the patent system?

Give me a break.

Stop parading your corrupted mental mechanisms here.

He said "it's not the only one" and you made it into "a lot". Stop BSing this forum with K-12 rhetorical cheap tricks. You need to make the whole notion into an absurd just to sell your BLP crap not being a con.

 

[jaydeehess]

What colours are these things going to be available in?

Any colour you want as long as that's black.
Or perhaps blue, given it's largely UV spectrum.

 

[hecd2]

Any colour you want as long as that's black.
Or perhaps blue, given it's largely UV spectrum.

Err - that's black as we know it.

 

[michaelsuede]

Wait - I thought you said BLP was not publicly traded. There are many examples of non-publicly traded companies that are or have been trying to fleece investors. Some of them have even been discussed on this forum. BLP is no different in this respect from, for example, the device that allows you to scuba dive by providing you with gills and liquid oxygen (although, perhaps, marginally more sophisticated).

It's not.

In order to invest in BrLP you have to be an accredited investor.

Any non-publicly traded corporation requires you to be an accredited investor before you can invest.

Thus, your average idiot can only invest in publicly traded corporations.

 

[jaydeehess]

Mills has standing in Canada, Israel and with the WIPO. He can go to market in any of those countries. At that point he will have a demonstrable product and can demand legal protection from any participating member state.

Let's go back to NOLO.

"Most industrialized countries are also members of the PCT, a treaty that enables inventors to file a relatively economical international application in their home country within one year of their home country filing date. "

But it doesn't stop there.

"There are two advantages in filing a PCT application: the inventor obtains a filing date that is good in every member country in which the inventor seeks patent protection; and an initial international patent search will be conducted and PCT member countries will rely heavily on this search."

So because Mills has standing in a member state and has international applications on file, he can go back to the US office with a working device and get a patent that's back-dated to the time of filing with the PCT.

If the US still refuses to grant a patent, Mills can again take them to court. There's no way a judge is going to deny a patent application on a fully functional device that already has standing patents on file with member states.

Now technically you are correct that there is no such thing as a valid WIPO patent, but his CA, IL and WO patents on file with the WIPO are essentially just that - they give him the right to back date his patents practically everywhere.

My original statement still stands. First you get a patent filed in a member state, then you file with WIPO.

..The inventor in a PCT nation must eventually file separate “national” applications in each country or group of countries (such as the EPO) where the inventor wants coverage,

Still gonna need that US patent if you want USA patent protection AND until that is done there is no USA patent protection. Sell them in Canada all you want, not much stopping someone from producing and selling them in the USA and not paying Mills a cent UNTIL he has that patent.

 

[aleCcowaN]

In order to invest in BrLP you have to be an accredited investor.

Stop BSing.

That phrase is the epitome of deception: "it's an exclusive club", "membership has its privileges".

 

[halleyscomet]

So there's a lot of publicly listed con companies out there fleecing the idiot masses through their abuse of the patent system?



Give me a break.

Its far more common than you think.

I used to frequent the David Icke forums. It's shocking how many alt-health scams get people to buy into them because they have a patent on their devices. For example, the fact that various water ionizers can be patented is used to bolster people selling things like the Kangen water system. Because there's a patent, people are more likely to except the fanciful medical claims of the people selling the devices.

I've lost track of how many times I've had to tell people that the existence of a patent doesn't mean the device actually works. A LOT of people never get it, and walk away convinced that the existence of a patent means that the product works as advertised. This false authority is then extended to the various claims made by the sellers of the devices.

While Enagic, the company behind Kangen water, is privately held, there are any number of publicly held companies selling crap like that.

The term "FDA Approved" can be a similar weasel phrase to give woo-woo false authority. For example, acupuncturists will often tout FDA approval. This gives the illusion that the FDA sees acupuncture as anything but placebo when in fact the only FDA approval involved is of the sterile, single-use needles used by the more, er, ...reputable... acupuncturists.

It's really stunning how little you know about how disreputable people trick the public. You really should learn to ask more questions.