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[halleyscomet]

If it was 99 cents through Amazon Kindle, I'd give it a whirl.

Cool. That's exactly what I had in mind.

 

[jaydeehess]

Would you read this book?

"The Hydrino Incident"

Sure

 

[michaelsuede]

Please explain how this "reciprocity" works with relation to patents.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/foreign-patents-patent-treaties.html

If the US is too pigheaded to grant me a patent, I can simply go to another country where we have reciprocity treaties in place and get one granted there.

To quote Nolo, "when an inventor from Country A applies for a patent in Country B, the inventor will be treated in the same manner as inventors living in Country B. "

Once that is done, I can file a global patent with WIPO, which has standing virtually everywhere, including the US.

In fact, a search of the WIPO shows that's exactly what BrLP did. Most of their patents are either filed from Canada, Israel or directly with WIPO.

 

[LTC8K6]

25 grand is incredibly cheap.

How much money have they raised and/or spent since 1991?

I'm thinking it's $100M at least.

 

[LTC8K6]

I would take it to General Electric and get a licensing deal that nade me huge amounts of money.

GE will require a working model, though.

Seems like we don't have that today, even though we already had it in 1992...

 

[Horatius]

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/foreign-patents-patent-treaties.html

If the US is too pigheaded to grant me a patent, I can simply go to another country where we have reciprocity treaties in place and get one granted there.

To quote Nolo, "when an inventor from Country A applies for a patent in Country B, the inventor will be treated in the same manner as inventors living in Country B. "

Once that is done, I can file a global patent with WIPO, which has standing virtually everywhere, including the US.

In fact, a search of the WIPO shows that's exactly what BrLP did.

Yes, as I suspected, you have no idea what any of that actually means.

Did you even see the subheading on that page, "U.S. patent rights stop at the American border"? Because that also applies to all other patent rights, in all other jurisdictions. A patent in Canada, Japan, the EU, wherever, has no effect on the use of the patented subject matter outside of that jurisdiction.

The various treaties such as the PCT, which is the force behind WIPO, merely streamline the processes for applying for patents in the various countries that are signatory to such treaties. When they say, "when an inventor from Country A applies for a patent in Country B, the inventor will be treated in the same manner as inventors living in Country B", all it means is that inventors from Country B will not be given priveleges over inventors from other countries. That is, if the law says "X", it says "X" for everyone.

But ultimately, you must undergo an approval for patent in each country for which you desire protection, and your application must meet the requirements of the law in each such country (these are often very similar, but they are not exactly the same). And ultimately, such patents only have effect in those particular countries.

So even if he did manage to get patents in literally every other country in the world, he still wouldn't have protection in the US.

Now, as for his application to WIPO, that actually hurts him, because the WIPO examiner provided an opinion that the device is non-functional, and now every patent examiner in the world has access to that report.

But yes, it's nice to see that, exactly as I suspected, you also have no idea how patents actually work.

Now, would you like to try again to figure out how he should get his patents, or would you like me to take pity on you and just give you the answer?

 

[jaydeehess]

Would you read this book?

It was a new source of energy, virtually limitless, safe, clean. The only byproduct? Hydrinos. Slightly altered hydrogen atoms. Just a few extra electrons. Harmless, reactionless, never documented in nature before. No need to research it. No need to test it. Everything will be just fine.

"The Hydrino Incident"

Maybe 'just a few extra neutrinos' , a slightly altered proton or electron.

 

[jaydeehess]

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/foreign-patents-patent-treaties.html

If the US is too pigheaded to grant me a patent, I can simply go to another country where we have reciprocity treaties in place and get one granted there.

To quote Nolo, "when an inventor from Country A applies for a patent in Country B, the inventor will be treated in the same manner as inventors living in Country B. "
Once that is done, I can file a global patent with WIPO, which has standing virtually everywhere, including the US.

In fact, a search of the WIPO shows that's exactly what BrLP did. Most of their patents are either filed from Canada, Israel or directly with WIPO.

Nice parsing of your own reference there MS.

An inventor cannot use a U.S. patent to stop someone from making, selling, or using the invention in another country. To do that, American inventors must acquire patent rights in that country and rely on rules of reciprocity in international treaties.“Reciprocity” or “reciprocal treatment” means that when an inventor from Country A applies for a patent in Country B, the inventor will be treated in the same manner as inventors living in Country B. This reciprocal treatment extends only to inventors who live in nations that have signed the treaty (“signatory nations”). The U.S. is a signatory nation to several international patent treaties, the most important of which are the Paris Convention and the Patent Cooperation Treaty.
.......The inventor in a PCT nation must eventually file separate “national” applications in each country or group of countries (such as the EPO) where the inventor wants coverage,

 

[JeanTate]

Clearly, hydrinos are so toxic they're even WORSE than the pollution those nations face now. What does North Korea know about hydrinos that michaelsuede isn't telling us? This tech is so toxic that not even NORTH KOREA is willing to implement it. Even worse, hydrinos are apparently so bad NORTH KOREA is not only refusing to produce them but refusing to weaponize them. These things are so destructive a country who wants to nuke Japan is refusing to load a warhead with a canister of hydrino gas.

There's an alternative explanation ...

Per at least some readings of the primary source(s), hydrinos are dark matter.

When emitted from the reactor, all they can do is fall towards the center of the Earth. As they do not interact with baryons, they cross and come to rest ~the other side (of the Earth); repeatedly. Which is all well and good ... except for the fact that once their space density is great enough, they form mini black holes. Which do interact with baryons.

Of course, the key scientists in the Department of Energy (of the US, China, North Korea, ...) are well aware of this. But they don't want the rest of the world to know how easy it is to destroy the planet. Which is why they have quietly foiled all previous work by Mills et al. And why this latest round will also fail (and michaelsuade lose his bet).

 

[jaydeehess]

There's an alternative explanation ...

Per at least some readings of the primary source(s), hydrinos are dark matter.

When emitted from the reactor, all they can do is fall towards the center of the Earth. As they do not interact with baryons, they cross and come to rest ~the other side (of the Earth); repeatedly. Which is all well and good ... except for the fact that once their space density is great enough, they form mini black holes. Which do interact with baryons.

Of course, the key scientists in the Department of Energy (of the US, China, North Korea, ...) are well aware of this. But they don't want the rest of the world to know how easy it is to destroy the planet. Which is why they have quietly foiled all previous work by Mills et al. And why this latest round will also fail (and michaelsuade lose his bet).

Or,,,,
hydrions eventually absorb energy from some source (strong UV would seem the obvious choice) forcing the electron back up to conventional orbit. Hydrogen and hydrinos are very low density and will float to the upper atmosphere, where strong UV is available. (but hydrogen is almost exclusively locked up in compounds) Now we have elemental hydrogen in the upper atmosphere. Hydrogen that used to be contained in water molecules. The Earth loses hydrogen to space, as I believe I read occurred to Venus waaaaay back when. Instead of global warming due to C0₂, we get eventual global drying as we lose water in our insatiable thirst (pun intended) for energy.

 

[Horatius]

Nice parsing of your own reference there MS.

Yeah, it's like he didn't even read that page, or something. It actually makes the point that patents are not reciprocal in the manner he thinks they are three times.

An inventor cannot use a U.S. patent to stop someone from making, selling, or using the invention in another country. To do that, American inventors must acquire patent rights in that country and rely on rules of reciprocity in international treaties.

In order to acquire patent rights, the inventor must separately file a patent application in each Convention country.

The inventor in a PCT nation must eventually file separate “national” applications in each country or group of countries (such as the EPO) where the inventor wants coverage, but the initial search procedure simplifies the international patent process.

 

[jaydeehess]

Yeah, it's like he didn't even read that page, or something. It actually makes the point that patents are not reciprocal in the manner he thinks they are three times.

Yeah, after I posted I noticed the several references and included such in an edit.

It's almost as if the author very much wanted to get that point across.

I am so surprised that a genius like MS did not catch that......

 

[MikeG]

Hydrinos that range far and wide (penetrating the planet and escaping into space with all our water). Hydrangers would be a good name. Hydrangeas would be better.

 

[michaelsuede]

So hilarious Horatius.

You're like the strawman king.

Quote me where I stated a patent filed in Canada has jurisdiction in the US. And I completely fail to see how having valid WIPO patents hurts him in any way, no matter what the reviewer may have said. He doesn't need anything else.

Bottom line, Mills has valid patent protection in the US and abroad for all of his inventions.

I personally think the US "rule" that the invention can't break the laws of physics is absurd, since having a patent on something that supposedly doesn't work isn't going to harm anyone anyways, and it presumes that we know all there is to know about the universe. -The whole thing is a total absurdity.

 

[Sideroxylon]

The patent talk is a nice read herring in itself. Why isnt the world being heated with prototypes instead of waiting for Mills to piss around with the cell generators? Why havent Chinese comoanies stolen this earth shattering texhnology and ran with it?

 

[Horatius]

How would one go about securing a patent in that case?

Pretty easy to do since we have patent treaties that grant reciprocity.

Please explain how this "reciprocity" works with relation to patents.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/foreign-patents-patent-treaties.html

If the US is too pigheaded to grant me a patent, I can simply go to another country where we have reciprocity treaties in place and get one granted there.

To quote Nolo, "when an inventor from Country A applies for a patent in Country B, the inventor will be treated in the same manner as inventors living in Country B. "

Once that is done, I can file a global patent with WIPO, which has standing virtually everywhere, including the US.

In fact, a search of the WIPO shows that's exactly what BrLP did. Most of their patents are either filed from Canada, Israel or directly with WIPO.

So hilarious Horatius.

You're like the red herring king.

Quote me where I stated a patent filed in Canada has jurisdiction in the US.

Yeah, just keep posting that delusional stuff. Fact of the matter is, you seem to think that "a global patent ... which has standing virtually everywhere, including the US" somehow overcomes the problem with the US being "too pigheaded to grant (you) a patent". It's clear that you think this "global patent" would be valid in the US, no matter how you now choose to spin your words.

And even as you spin, all you're doing is drilling yourself a deeper hole, because you clearly don't even know what the terms you're using actually mean. Here's a hint, there's no such thing as "a global patent".

ETA: and in reviewing this post, I just noticed that you don't even know the proper sequence in which to do things. Hint: if you follow the schedule posted above, you would almost certainly end up screwing yourself out of the vast majority of your potential patents in various jurisdictions.

And I completely fail to see how having valid WIPO patents hurts him in any way, no matter what the reviewer may have said. He doesn't need anything else.

And there you do it again. There's no such thing as a "valid WIPO patent".

As for "He doesn't need anything else", he certainly does, unless you think that this alleged "valid WIPO patent" can be enforced in the US (or anywhere, for that matter).

Bottom line, Mills has valid patent protection in the US and abroad for all of his inventions.

Bottom line, no he doesn't. Bottom line is, the vast majority of his patent applications have been rejected, both in the US and elsewhere. It's plainly obvious that you don't even understand the basics of patents enough to see this.

 

[halleyscomet]

Yeah, just keep posting that delusional stuff. Fact of the matter is, you seem to think that "a global patent ... which has standing virtually everywhere, including the US" somehow overcomes the problem with the US being "too pigheaded to grant (you) a patent". It's clear that you think this "global patent" would be valid in the US, no matter how you now choose to spin your words.



And even as you spin, all you're doing is drilling yourself a deeper hole, because you clearly don't even know what the terms you're using actually mean. Here's a hint, there's no such thing as "a global patent".



ETA: and in reviewing this post, I just noticed that you don't even know the proper sequence in which to do things. Hint: if you follow the schedule posted above, you would almost certainly end up screwing yourself out of the vast majority of your potential patents in various jurisdictions.











And there you do it again. There's no such thing as a "valid WIPO patent".



As for "He doesn't need anything else", he certainly does, unless you think that this alleged "valid WIPO patent" can be enforced in the US (or anywhere, for that matter).











Bottom line, no he doesn't. Bottom line is, the vast majority of his patent applications have been rejected, both in the US and elsewhere. It's plainly obvious that you don't even understand the basics of patents enough to see this.

I have a friend who is a patent attorney. I'm tempted to send him this exchange for input but I suspect the response would be along the lines of, "Why are you sending me this delusional crap?" He'd probably then question michaelsuede's education level and reading comprehension.

 

[Horatius]

I personally think the US "rule" that the invention can't break the laws of physics is absurd, since having a patent on something that supposedly doesn't work isn't going to harm anyone anyways, and it presumes that we know all there is to know about the universe. -The whole thing is a total absurdity.

This is an argument that has been made before, and is actually part of the reason a lot of patent offices don't put a lot of effort into preventing bogus patents from being issued.

The problem is, it's completely wrong.

The traditional view is that a patent on an inoperable device does nothing more than grant exclusive rights to do something that no one would bother doing anyways. And that's true, so far as it goes. Since no real company will ever bother infringing on Mills' patents (if he ever gets some), there will be no basis under the law for Mills to sue them.

The problem is, that's not how people like Mills use their patents. He knows full well that he'll never use them in court to defend against an infringement. What he does, is use them as a vehicle to solicit investors. There's a strong tendency in many people to assume that, if it's patented, it really works. So having an issued patent, or even just a pending patent application, suggests to investors that there is some substance to his claims, and so he acquires a veneer of respectability. He then fleeces them for all he can, which as of the last reports I heard, was $60,000,000.

And that's the harm that you ignore.

 

[Horatius]

I have a friend who is a patent attorney. I'm tempted to send him this exchange for input but I suspect the response would be along the lines of, "Why are you sending me this delusional crap?" He'd probably then question michaelsuede's education level and reading comprehension.

I encourage you to do so.

1. Your friend will probably get a laugh out of it
2. They will also confirm that I'm right

 

[halleyscomet]

Maybe 'just a few extra neutrinos' , a slightly altered proton or electron.

But isn't that an inaccurate description of what Mills claims is happening?