Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator

[Giordano]

That's actually a conservative estimate. They can easily go up to 10,000 suns power. Peak power output during a test shot of the reactor was 5 million watts, with a sustained output of over a million watts.

That's nothing! I created a device the size of a shot glass that has a sustained output of over a billion watts and runs off an improbability drive. The more unlikely you think such a device can exist- the more power it generates! My company is called "Galactic Core." I have over 1500 patents filed- too many to bother to specify here. There are just a few details we need to sort out before we hit the global market in Fall of this year, such as if we need to preserve the ability of the device to also hold a dram of whiskey.

It must be true- why should I lie? And I have the entire US Senate on my corporate board and who can testify that I am telling you the truth, although they have been asked to deny being members for now until we can go fully commercial.

Nonetheless I am not asking for any investment in Galactic Core at this time. But I do have money-printing machine that members here can purchase of $99.98 (buy before midnight tonight and I will include a second one free, plus shipping and handling). They produce absolutely authentic USA currency from plain paper with no limits. I wish I did not have to, but I must sell these money printers: I need the quick cash.

I almost forgot to mention- I am also developing a flying car. We will be opening showrooms in time for Christmas 2017.

 

[Giordano]

Well, it's obviously not nonsense given that Mills is producing 5 million watt bursts of energy in a space the size of a coffee cup.

This is no longer a debate about theory. This is a fully working prototype that's dumping out enough power to VAPORIZE 1/4" thick tungsten rods within seconds. No power source known to man is capable of doing that.

Amazing! Unbelievable!

 

[Whip]

one can get a patent for almost anything. doesn't mean it's viable.

 

[Aepervius]

It's true that they haven't been saying the same thing for ten years. It's far longer than that.

I wonder if the brightness of 2000 suns might be a bit optimistic.

I recall looking at mills claims since the early 1990ies. Black light power they were named.
And no matter what the op says about naysayer, it was looked in properly and nothing came out of it.

As for the monstrosity on how they "calculated" hydrinos, you can look the article for yourself. Let us say, that I expect them to be as good in free energy for this year or the next , as they were in the last 25+.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

one can get a patent for almost anything. doesn't mean it's viable.

I thought that the US patent office specifically didn't issue patents for over unity devices.

 

[Aepervius]

Well, it's obviously not nonsense given that Mills is producing 5 million watt bursts of energy in a space the size of a coffee cup.

This is no longer a debate about theory. This is a fully working prototype that's dumping out enough power to VAPORIZE 1/4" thick tungsten rods within seconds. No power source known to man is capable of doing that.

To give you an idea of what 5 MW for something the size of a cup is , look at the order of magnitude involved.

5 MW from something the size of a coffee cup. A US cup is around 250 centimeter (1/4 liter). Assuming a regular repartitions in a cube, each faces will be 7cm^2 (6.2 cm^2 but whatever). That will be 42 cm^2. I will say 50 cm^2 because it makes it easier. That is 100 kJ.s-1.cm-1 on each cubes faces. Most metal metal within seconds as most have a latent heat of fusion of a few hundred of kJ.kg-1 so order of magnitude lower than what the casing is receiving per cm^-2. I am pretty sure you can see the problem here.

I am betting that the 5 MW is either an extrapolation from measurement error (to be very generous) or a misunderstanding from you (again to be generous).

ETA: or the burst is sooooo small in time that the energy involved are very small like burst laser which have GW of power, but emit in kJ total. - which naturally belie your claim it could not be done with a normal source -

ETA:ETA and in case you are wondering I am only entertaining you as I think they are a scam which should have looooong been dropped.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I thought that the US patent office specifically didn't issue patents for over unity devices.

It wouldn't be an over unity device if the hydrogen fuel begins in the ground state and ends up in some hypothetical below-ground (subterranean?) state.

It's actual problem is that these lower energy states for hydrogen haven't been shown to exist.

 

[Horatius]

I thought that the US patent office specifically didn't issue patents for over unity devices.

The key to Mill's scam is, he's not actually claiming an "over unity device". He's asserting that he's found a new source of energy, which we can exploit to produce electricity. It's like fission power back in the 40s, essentially. As such, the patent office can't simply dismiss it out of hand for being a perpetual motion machine. They have to actually get into the nitty-gritty of the physics behind his claimed invention, which is much harder.


Of course:

....is this the old 'blacklight' scam that has been around 20+ years?

Edited to add:

A search finds that yes it is the old blacklight scam with the same actors from 2003

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=399

and here it is again in 2010

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194863

It was complete nonsense then and it still is.

Third time lucky.

... that assumes his "new source" isn't a scam. But it pretty much is. This is his business model: File patents, scam investors, wait a few years, then repeat. He's been on this 3-to-7 year cycle for 30 years now. Every cycle, he re-writes his patent applications using new terminology, or claiming some new use that is classified differently by the patent office, in hopes of finding an examiner who hasn't heard about him yet, and getting a patent issued.

He's also been accumulating an ever-increasing pile of ******** that the examiner has to wade through:

Latest patent application from 2016 and the corresponding opinion.

Looks like bunk.

Did you try to read the text of the cited patent? It is ungrammatical gibberish. I suppose it might have been translated from the Chinese, but if the inventor was not Chinese, why is it not checked for intelligibility? That also seems a little odd.

Nothing odd at all. It's an essential feature of his application. Canada and the US are much more tolerant of gibberish in their patent applications than many other jurisdictions, and he relies on that in hopes of swamping the examiner. He knows the examiner doesn't have unlimited amounts of time to read literally hundreds of pages of crap in detail, and he hopes the examiner will just take the lazy way out of issuing the patent.

 

[sts60]

Well, it's not like we've studied the hydrogen atom in any detail. This sub-ground state could be lurking out there, unknown by mainstream science, in much the same way that modern mathematics has overlooked the possibility of a hitherto unknown integer between 0 and 1.

 

[Giordano]

The last video is interesting, in that it is entirely uninformative. Something is shown, but it's your guess what.

It's not uncommon for very rich investors to throw some money into highly speculative and unlikely ventures. Being rich and influential does not prevent you from being misled, but aside from that, if you have enormous amounts of money, the risk-reward ratio is different. Even if the likelihood of success is tiny, and the likelihood of waste is nearly certain, it's no real risk at all, the more so if losses can eventually be deducted from taxes. An impressive list of investors is proof of very little.

So far what we have (or what I see, not willing to waste hours on those videos) is a presumed scheme whereby a device generates incredibly large amounts of electricity which are then used to light a light bulb which does not, apparently, yet exist, so the light, minus the enormous amount of heat, can be used to run solar panels, which themselves, unless there's some new and undocumented technology involved, have an energy efficiency well below 50 percent. Something about that scheme seems odd.

Did you try to read the text of the cited patent? It is ungrammatical gibberish. I suppose it might have been translated from the Chinese, but if the inventor was not Chinese, why is it not checked for intelligibility? That also seems a little odd.

I now realize that I had the same idea in regard to this part of the scheme when I was age 8: put solar cells around a light bulb to produce a perpetual energy machine. Damn- I should have patented it then! But of course science hadn't discovered the sub-ground state of hydrogen back then... in fact not even now.

Simply put: I believe that the more complicated the generator the more it can generate... investment.

 

[Giordano]

Well, you can listen to this guy, or you can see it run with your own two eyes [snip]

By exactly the same criteria I have seen "with my own two eyes" fantastic magical creatures, wizards, huge space battles, werewolves, vampires, and British police boxes with their interior much larger than their exterior. In fact many of these were more convincing.

Oh- my apologies- my first reaction was to take you seriously. Sorry.

 

[Horatius]

Well, it's not like we've studied the hydrogen atom in any detail. This sub-ground state could be lurking out there, unknown by mainstream science, in much the same way that modern mathematics has overlooked the possibility of a hitherto unknown integer between 0 and 1.

Snark is fun and all, but the patent office has a problem: Every once in a long while, someone does find "a hitherto unknown integer between 0 and 1". And even though actual instances of that are far less common than people being either mistaken, crazy or fraudulent, they can't assume a priori that any particular case falls into one of those categories.

Back when radioactivity was first discovered, the notion was that atoms were indivisible, and that transmutations of one element into another were nothing more than the fantasies of alchemists. Then things changed.

Of course, the big difference here is, once the above discoveries were announced, almost anyone who had the right equipment could reproduce the results, and even expand on them, producing new results. These BLP guys have rather spectacularly failed at that part of the process.

 

[michaelsuede]

Well, it's not like we've studied the hydrogen atom in any detail. This sub-ground state could be lurking out there, unknown by mainstream science, in much the same way that modern mathematics has overlooked the possibility of a hitherto unknown integer between 0 and 1.

Since the ground state is simply defined, there's no reason in theory it could not be lower.

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[marplots]

Setting aside the possibility of bad fiction, I am concerned that the EPA will put the brakes on the whole enterprise. I haven't seen any reporting on the environmental impact of hydrino production. If these are just going to be released into the environment I would like to see what the impact will be. As far as I can tell there isn't even a material safety data sheet available for hydrinos.

How will he handle the lawsuits when people's balls start falling off because of hydrino exposure? The liability concerns make me extremely wary. We should not assume that even fictional particles will not spawn fictional ailments but absolutely real lawsuits.

Has Mills addressed any of this? (And what happened to Yang? Did they part ways?)

 

[ynot]

As I did with the now infamous Bitcoin thread back in 2011, I am here to make another prophecy that could be potentially lucrative. Bitcoin was worth $20 bucks a coin when I made my original post. Today it's worth around $900.

So you purchased a truckload of Bitcoins at $20 bucks and now you're a multi-millionaire - right?

I'm here to let you know that free energy generators will be hitting the market within a year, with mass production ramping up rapidly within two years. If you're able to short energy sector stocks and hold the position long term, you will definitely make your money back.

So you've purchased a truckload of Brilliant Light Power stock and you're gonna be a multi-billionaire - right?

 

[Horatius]

Your faith in the standard model, and in the ability of theoreticians to make predictive discoveries based on it, is grossly misplaced.

And yet, you express faith in a fellow who's been making these "Commercial product within a year" claims for almost 20 years now, without ever actually delivering anything.


December 1999:

BlackLight Power is in discussions with DaimlerChrysler, and three major corporations are already examining materials it has produced, say Mills and company executives.

In the next year, Mills promises, the revolution will be "hydrinoized."

...

"I'll have demonstrated an entirely new form of energy production by the end of 2000," Mills responds

May 2008:

They expect to have pilot plants built and devices ready for delivery in 12-18 months.

January 2009:

Last year BlackLight announced that it had a prototype reactor capable of putting out 50 kilowatts of thermal power using a tiny amount of hydrogen. The company said that the device releases energy in one short burst and that it’s working to make the reaction continuous. It also said it planned to scale up for pilot operation sometime this year, estimating that its technology could produce electricity for under 2 cents per kilowatt-hour.

May 2012:

Now in 2012, Dr. Mills says that BlackLight has achieved critical milestones in scaling its new technology with typical electrical gain of more than ten times that which initiates the process, operating over long duration at the 10 Watt (W) scale. A 100 W unit is planned for completion by the end of 2012, and a 1.5 kiloWatt (kW) pilot unit that can serve the residential power market, as an initial target commercial application, is expected to be operational by 2013.

He's been making the exact same "This year for sure!" claims every few years for literally decades now. At what point do you start assuming he's more likely wrong than more likely right?

 

[michaelsuede]

So you purchased a truckload of Bitcoins at $20 bucks and now you're a multi-millionaire - right?

I'm doing quite well.

So you've purchased a truckload of Brilliant Light Power stock and you're gonna be a multi-billionaire - right?

Since they aren't a public company, you have to be a certified private investor to invest in them. The best the public can do is short the energy sector over the next couple of years.

 

[Giordano]

Setting aside the possibility of bad fiction, I am concerned that the EPA will put the brakes on the whole enterprise. I haven't seen any reporting on the environmental impact of hydrino production. If these are just going to be released into the environment I would like to see what the impact will be. As far as I can tell there isn't even a material safety data sheet available for hydrinos.

How will he handle the lawsuits when people's balls start falling off because of hydrino exposure? The liability concerns make me extremely wary. We should not assume that even fictional particles will not spawn fictional ailments but absolutely real lawsuits.

Has Mills addressed any of this? (And what happened to Yang? Did they part ways?)

And is there any possibility that hydrinos, once formed, might behave like Ice 9, or like prions, and begin to nucleate formation of ever more hydrinos in the atoms around them? Think of the environmental impact of such a thing!

This is why my own, improbability drive generator is so much better- if a problem arises as to pollution or safety, as soon as people believe that such problems exist they will go away automatically; disbelieve is required for the entire process and once one believes it generates pollutants they will disappear.

 

[Giordano]

I'm doing quite well.



Since they aren't a public company, you have to be a certified private investor to invest in them. The best the public can do is short the energy sector over the next couple of years.

Years? Your OP states that it will hit the market within a year. Time is of the essence!

 

[michaelsuede]

He's been making the exact same "This year for sure!" claims every few years for literally decades now. At what point do you start assuming he's more likely wrong than more likely right?

Yeah, I stated in the OP that there would be plenty of naysayers who haven't done their homework claiming what you just claimed.

Mills did have a product ready to go commercial back in 2009. This product was called the CHIT cell. This was a much bulkier, far less powerful, far more expensive type of generator.

Mills decided against taking this to market after discovering new novel properties of the hydrino that allowed for far greater amounts of energy to be produced around the time the CHIT cell was being planned for production.

Rather than spend the money on a commercial launch of the CIHT cell, Mills decided to spend his investment capital on further research. This eventually lead to the creation of the SunCell type generator described in the OP.

For comparison, the CHIT cell prototype generator was producing 10 watts of continuous power. The SunCell prototype reactor is dumping out 1 million watts continuous power, with a planned 100 kw generator output.

Investment capital is limited. Obviously Mills made the right choice when he decided to focus on SunCell development rather than taking the CHIT cell to market.