New telepathy test, the sequel.

P.J. Denyer said:
Another thing that EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this thread has in common.


....... along with everyone else on the planet.
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Well, Michel's claim is that we we all hear his thoughts. If we all deny that we do, he claims we are lying about it.

How on on earth does he know in the first place that we hear his thoughts?
 
abaddon said:
Well, Michel's claim is that we we all hear his thoughts. If we all deny that we do, he claims we are lying about it.
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Yes.... That was the point of my post. I don't interject a declaration that no-one is telepathic into conversation at random you know. :)
 
It is a common symptom of paranoid schizophrenia that you think you are broadcasting your thoughts. Usually, you hear people apparently talking about what you are thinking.
I know because I am that soldier.
 
TheSapient said:
From what I can tell, he isn't doing these "tests" to actually demonstrate he has telepathy. He is doing them because he hopes that good results will quiet the disturbing voices in his head. ...
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I think that my real motivation for doing all these extra-sensory tests is to try to achieve a better acceptance and recognition of my real telepathic property, by all if possible.

This seems desirable to me for good Science, and, ideally, it might allow to tackle more honestly and efficiently my problem of nasty voices and persecution (though this seems really still very far off as of now).

I am not much impressed by the noise of people who say that telepathy does not exist, and that I am just a mentally ill, nothing else, because I think I have understood how dishonest people can sometimes be, particularly in a group.
Daylightstar said:
I am hearing Michel H's thoughts. ...
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calwaterbear said:
... I do indeed have ESP, and know for a fact that he wrote 2!
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Michel H said:
I think that my real motivation for doing all these extra-sensory tests is to try to achieve a better acceptance and recognition of my real telepathic property, by all if possible.
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And you fail every time. Why?

Michel H said:
This seems desirable to me for good Science, and, ideally, it might allow to tackle more honestly and efficiently my problem of nasty voices and persecution (though this seems really still very far off as of now).
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Those are imaginary.

Michel H said:
I am not much impressed by the noise of people who say that telepathy does not exist, and that I am just a mentally ill, nothing else, because I think I have understood how dishonest people can sometimes be, particularly in a group.
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Of course not. You want to cling to the delusion at all costs. The fact remains that nobody hears your thoughts.
 
abaddon said:
... You want to cling to the delusion at all costs. The fact remains that nobody hears your thoughts.
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It seems to me that you are now beginning to contradict yourself, like some previous posters in these telepathy threads:
abaddon said:
Well, Michel's claim is that we we all hear his thoughts. If we all deny that we do, he claims we are lying about it.

How on on earth does he know in the first place that we hear his thoughts?
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It is wrong to assume that results of telepathy tests should be completely obvious, a common mistake made by skeptics (in my opinion). Some work of interpretation is necessary, as I have tried to explain.
Ladewig said:
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Congratulations on once again proving telepathy.
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Bravo. I salute you.
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You are the vanguard of the next Golden Age of psychic testing.

If you are ever invited to speak at a conference for psychic powers and phenomena, will you post the dates on this board? I really want to be there when you say, "OK, all you remote viewing folks and precognition folks - I want to say that you've got nothing; so quit wasting our time with something that has no possible mechanism. Now, I'd like to speak about my unimpeachable ESP evidence."
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You really don't understand sarcasm, Michel.
 
Michel H said:
…I am not much impressed by the noise of people who say that telepathy does not exist, and that I am just a mentally ill, nothing else, because I think I have understood how dishonest people can sometimes be, particularly in a group.
Daylightstar said:
I am hearing Michel H's thoughts. ...
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calwaterbear said:
... I do indeed have ESP, and know for a fact that he wrote 2!
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Let it be recorded that Daylightstar and calwaterbear are now off the list of hits.
 
Agatha said:
You really don't understand sarcasm, Michel.
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This is why you don't say these things to people that are most likely suffering mental health issues. Even if they understand sarcasm, they will ignore it the way they suspend other rational thoughts in order to make their delusions fit.
 
Michel H said:
I think that my real motivation for doing all these extra-sensory tests is to try to achieve a better acceptance and recognition of my real telepathic property, by all if possible.
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No. The exact opposite is happening. What you are giving is clear example of how people suffering psychiatric disorders make up weaker and conflicting excuses to justify their delusions could be real.

Firstly, you pick and choose which forum questions to respond to so as to avoid those questions which clearly evidence you are suffering a psychiatric delusion.

Secondly, you specifically avoid teaming up with the Belgium skeptic organisation, who can mutually perfect a simple experiment, with you, that can end this matter in one go.

Thirdly, you keep repeating your flawed "internet" experiment, with no controls or pre-defined methodology, specifically to obtain fragmented responses, serious, humerous and sarcastic, so as to allow you to subjectively reinterpret the answers to give you false "hits".

Fourthly, you specifically avoid seeking help from a psychiatrist, knowing that this will end your delusions, quickly and in one go.

Fifthly, you are unable to actually lock down what your claim is, for two reasons. Primarily so you can change your claim to match fragmented results and then to prevent forum members from pointing out obvious conflicts.

In conclusion, you have been spamming the same flawed experiment for four years and achieved absolutely nothing. As you are deluded you will probably spend the next ten years doing exactly the same for no sane reason.

I think you need to do two things immediately.
1) Get a referral from a doctor to see a Belgium psychiatrist.
2) With that psychiatrist's consent, if given, contact the Belgium skeptic society to end this matter once and for all.

If you don't do this you are simply continuing to post classical examples of a delusional person clutching at straws, for self justification reasons, to maintain that delusion.


Michel H said:
it might allow to tackle more honestly and efficiently my problem of nasty voices and persecution
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As you admit, it is you hearing voices in your head and suffering a persecution complex. We don't hear these voices at all. You are attempting to project your illness on to us.
 
Michel H said:
abaddon said:
... You want to cling to the delusion at all costs. The fact remains that nobody hears your thoughts.
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It seems to me that you are now beginning to contradict yourself, like some previous posters in these telepathy threads:
abaddon said:
Well, Michel's claim is that we we all hear his thoughts. If we all deny that we do, he claims we are lying about it.

How on on earth does he know in the first place that we hear his thoughts?
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And you would be plain flat out wrong. I have not contradicted myself, I pointed out yet another flaw in your wild claims. If you happen to randomly get a hit, you take that as proof of your telepathy. If you get a reply that you can warp into a hit with eye-watering results, you take that as proof of your telepathy. If you get a response which you cannot warp into a hit, you don't take it as a miss, you take it as proof the we heard you telepathically but lie about it, in other words another hit.

There is no answer or response which you will not dishonestly purloin into a hit.


Michel H said:
It is wrong to assume that results of telepathy tests should be completely obvious, a common mistake made by skeptics (in my opinion). Some work of interpretation is necessary, as I have tried to explain.
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You claim the exact opposite. You claim that everyone worldwide hears your thoughts clearly and obviously and then lies about it. Are you now changing your claim? Of course you are. Having painted yourself into a corner, you now have to fudge pretty much everything in order to prop up your delusion that we all hear your thoughts.

Ladewig said:
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Congratulations on once again proving telepathy.
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Bravo. I salute you.
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You are the vanguard of the next Golden Age of psychic testing.

If you are ever invited to speak at a conference for psychic powers and phenomena, will you post the dates on this board? I really want to be there when you say, "OK, all you remote viewing folks and precognition folks - I want to say that you've got nothing; so quit wasting our time with something that has no possible mechanism. Now, I'd like to speak about my unimpeachable ESP evidence."
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And I bet you don't need a microwave oven with all that radiation pouring out of your brain.

That was some additional sarcasm. Ask yourself, why is it that all of us can identify sarcasm without effort yet you cannot. Think about that. What does that fact mean?
 
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Michel H said:
It seems to me that you are now beginning to contradict yourself, like some previous posters in these telepathy threads:

It is wrong to assume that results of telepathy tests should be completely obvious, a common mistake made by skeptics (in my opinion). Some work of interpretation is necessary, as I have tried to explain.
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Just an end of the year reminder Michel; No one hears your thoughts. No one has ever heard your thoughts.
 
Bladesman87 said:
This is why you don't say these things to people that are most likely suffering mental health issues. Even if they understand sarcasm, they will ignore it the way they suspend other rational thoughts in order to make their delusions fit.
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Anyone planning to post anything, please reread this first. Anything you post, however clear you think you are being, will be twisted to fit Michel's delusion.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Anyone planning to post anything, please reread this first. Anything you post, however clear you think you are being, will be twisted to fit Michel's delusion.
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Yes. This is clear. Whatever is posted will somehow be twisted to support the protagonist. It is quite eye-watering the level of contortion which must be deployed to do so.

Poe or loon? I really cannot say. Were someone so deep into delusion I could see it. Were someone so deep into creating a complex Poe I could see that too.

I have a general rule. Assume that whatever someone posts is by default true and they should be held to it. Feet to the flames.
 
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