Are all Trump supporters racists?

[varwoche]

Bump for ChrisBFRPKY yet again:

Please stop moving the goalposts. Do you acknowledge that Trump propagated false information emanating from a neo-nazi source concerning black on white crime? And that he has never retracted, even once the source was debunked?

Instead you get on a hypocritical high horse concerning Bill Clinton. I enjoy playing whack-a-mole at the arcade. Here, not so much.

A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

[WilliamSeger]

The hipocrisy of the Left is hilarious. Chris B.

The increasing irrationality of the Right... not so much.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Well not to worry, after Monday's Elector process is complete everyone can finally lay down their futile attempts to deny a duly elected official office. Whatever you see Trump as, come Monday it's a done deal.

So be he viewed as a racist, womanizer, whatever......he'll certainly be sworn in as President of the US next month. Let's hope he doesn't chase interns like some before him did.
Chris B.

 

[LSSBB]

Well not to worry, after Monday's Elector process is complete everyone can finally lay down their futile attempts to deny a duly elected official office. Whatever you see Trump as, come Monday it's a done deal.

So be he viewed as a racist, womanizer, whatever......he'll certainly be sworn in as President of the US next month. Let's hope he doesn't chase interns like some before him did.
Chris B.

He's not duly elected yet. That's what the electors do.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

He's not duly elected yet. That's what the electors do.

Yes, Monday hence my reference to it.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I noticed it as well, and was not surprised in the slightest. In fact, I immediately agreed when Obama won the election and folks said "You're about to see some real racism come down, get ready.", and when people said "2012 will be the most racist presidential election season we've seen in decades."

In reality, as I've said before, Trump made it the most racist racist season in 2011, so we underestimated things.

But we certainly saw the "Obamas are apes", "Obama phones", "Barack the Magic Negro", "Obama as a witch doctor", birtherism, people giving money to Zimmerman for murdering Trayvon Martin (people paid to be racist!), the love for police violence against black and brown people, and the anger directed at a nonviolent movement asking for people to be treated equally.

I said, years ago on the JREF, that many people get angrier when a cop shoots a dog than when a cop shoots and innocent black person, and people lost their minds. The past 8 years have proven me correct - and the people who I described have become increasingly vocal about it.



According to studies, it's about 1/4 of white democrats, and 1/2 of white republicans. I';m unaware of any such studies for nonwhite people.


The Black Panther Party dissolved decades ago, and therefore cannot possibly support anybody. The "New Black Panther Party", who are actual black supremacists, offered Obama tepid support. This is irrelevant to the discussion of Donald Trump, who again has repeatedly called for state violence against black people as nation-wide policy, and has appointed a white nationalist as his advisor. Whether or not he disavows David Duke is therefore of no importance to me.

There can be no doubt that non-White racists exist. Racism is a two way street you know. Chris B.

 

[Aridas]

You guys are so willing to defend Bill Clinton. A proven sexual predator. The hipocrisy of the Left is hilarious. Chris B.

Hmm? I don't particularly care about defending Bill Clinton, though? Rather, I'm interested in decent arguments being put forward in the first place. This is simply yet another terrible argument coming from you.

Well not to worry, after Monday's Elector process is complete everyone can finally lay down their futile attempts to deny a duly elected official office. Whatever you see Trump as, come Monday it's a done deal.

So be he viewed as a racist, womanizer, whatever......he'll certainly be sworn in as President of the US next month. Let's hope he doesn't chase interns like some before him did.
Chris B.

Indeed, let's hope that he doesn't. It would be no surprise at all if he did, though.

There can be no doubt that non-White racists exist. Racism is a two way street you know. Chris B.

This, at least, I'll agree with. That anti-white racism has less prevalent effects in the US doesn't make it any more acceptable than anti minority racism, including racism between minorities.

 

[Mumbles]

Well not to worry, after Monday's Elector process is complete everyone can finally lay down their futile attempts to deny a duly elected official office. Whatever you see Trump as, come Monday it's a done deal.

So be he viewed as a racist, womanizer, whatever......he'll certainly be sworn in as President of the US next month. Let's hope he doesn't chase interns like some before him did.
Chris B.

and as soon as he attempts to push the bigoted agenda that he came up with during his campaign, people will be ready. If he doesn't want a fight, then it's entirely up to him and his people to give up on all that crap.

There can be no doubt that non-White racists exist. Racism is a two way street you know. Chris B.

And I've explicitly called out one black supremacist group in this thread, so you are arguing against a strawman.

 

[thaiboxerken]

And I've explicitly called out one black supremacist group in this thread, so you are arguing against a strawman.

He tries to equate racism against white people with the racism of white people against all other races. It's like he wants to ignore the entire history of white supremacy.

 

[WilliamSeger]

He tries to equate racism against white people with the racism of white people against all other races. It's like he wants to ignore the entire history of white supremacy.

One has to wonder why about 90% of the arguments offered here by "conservatives" revolve around false equivalences. White racism, black racism, they both do it so there you go. But that ignores that you can't really pass laws against being a racist; the best that progressives can hope for is to pass laws against the institutionalized racism that has a negative impact on the quality of life and quality of citizenship of minorities. Show me an example of black racism where that's the case, and sure, I'll go along with passing laws against it or enforcing existing laws.

 

[The Don]

You guys are so willing to defend Bill Clinton.

The allegation was that he was racist, for which there appears to be no evidence.

A proven sexual predator.

Only if you use some new post-factual version of the verb "prove"

The hipocrisy of the Left is hilarious. Chris B.

How so ?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Yes her proposals were essentially shifting those communities' economies into more advanced service industry and tech jobs, taking for granted that the original industries were not returning. In retrospect, this reality talk is not what the voter segment in question wanted to hear. It's cognitive dissonance, unfortunately.

Manufacturing had different challenges than resource extraction industries, and I think there's different solutions for each of those.

Resource extraction has lost labour force mostly to technology. I think there is a coal example above. Here in BC, we're seeing the same for forestry, mining, fishing. I was just in a lumbermill tour where the tour guide pointed out that automation has reduced the mill staffing by 95% over the last 30 years, while increasing output by a factor of four. So to restore the original staffing levels, the market needs to expand to eighty times its size, which is impossible, and anyway not going to happen just because corporate taxes are reduced by a fraction.

Those careers are just doing what they've been doing for 500 years. Machines make people more productive and since there's only so many safety pins beer or cars the world can consume at any price, this means layoffs. But, good news: the invisible hand of the market will find work for idle people. However, this is dependent on inventing entirely new industries, not expanding the existing ones. And new industries is dependent on entrepreneurs. And entrepreneurship is dependent on access to education and social/geographical mobility.

Having said that, here's the new problem: most of these new industries have not hired these layoffs from old advanced capitalized industries; but rather, they have opened shops overseas and hired foreigners. OK: the complainants have a point here, this is new versus 50 years ago. I don't think it's unreasonable to resent this trend, and I am not as pessimistic about returning a portion of those factories to the US through the result of some sort of free-market-hostile socialist command economy policy like tariffs. But I am pessimistic about the net economic gains for workers' standard of living.

Either way, blaming brown folk for getting work to feed their families instead of the CEOs who shipped the jobs overseas is the type of distraction that can only be fuelled by racism.

There is also the point that there is less and less demand for hiring people with out the specific skills an industry needs. No one is going to move a factory into a town to hire the locals if it is going to take years to train them. The demands of industry have gotten more complicated and there is much less demand for low skilled labor of the type that these economies were built on.

I am very much in favor of getting more manufacturing done in the US. I work in manufacturing in the US and we export to china. Getting the people with the skills you need is very hard.

 

[ponderingturtle]

You mean to say Trump was a racist when he was a Democrat and donor? Why only now do we hear about this? hmmmm? Chris B.

Trump never was a democrat he was clear, he donated to politicians because he needed the access that those donations gave him. He has been clear that it was never about policy.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I think he called for justice for the victim. He didn't call for lynching Blacks and Hispanics.
Chris B.

He called for the execution of those innocent of the crime.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I wish I could make the same kind of mistakes Trump did that would make me a billionaire........Chris B.

It helps to inherit it like trump did. If he had the net worth he inherited in a mutual fund pegged to the dow he would be worth 10 billion. So any amount less than that can be deducted as being less than 0 increase.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I'm probably not a Trump fan as most will realize, but can we put this "But is he really a billionaire" nonsense to rest. His holdings in Manhattan real estate put him well over that number. And those are minority positions, e.g. forty-something per cent. Even if we discount for the failed ventures and the losses he likely took on them, he's still got more than ten billion in real estate holdings. And there's no hidden debts to get near to that amount. He's a billionaire. A big-mouth racist billionaire who enables bigots and would sell his soul for a free plug for his brand, but a billionaire nevertheless.

It is hard to say because he is also the self styled "King of Debt". How much he is truly worth is unknown because you would have to liquidate his assents and pay is debts to find out. At the lest he has many hundreds of millions of dollars in personal loans to offset that worth.

 

[ponderingturtle]

There can be no doubt that non-White racists exist. Racism is a two way street you know. Chris B.

Way more than that. See how racist David Clarke is against blacks, while being black.

There are many many shades of racism.

 

[uke2se]

Well not to worry, after Monday's Elector process is complete everyone can finally lay down their futile attempts to deny a duly elected official office. Whatever you see Trump as, come Monday it's a done deal.

Not many hold out any hope for any other outcome. That doesn't mean that we won't keep pointing out that you (yes, you Chris) elected a racist conman who has already started ruining the US reputation overseas, and is contributing to increased insecurity in a volatile world. A man who denies science, who invited a foreign power to meddle in US elections (which they proceeded to do), who view women as objects, who is so thin-skinned that he can't not tweet in the small hours of the night about perceived personal gripes, who threathens the first amendment, who has massive conflicts of interests violating the US constitution, who is the most unqualified person for the job of President of the US in the country's history.

So be he viewed as a racist,

He is a racist, undeniably so.

womanizer, whatever......

Rapist and sexual assaulter. By the testimony of his ex-wife and the man himself, respectively.

he'll certainly be sworn in as President of the US next month.

And that's a national disgrace.

Let's hope he doesn't chase interns like some before him did.
Chris B.

If that's the only thing he did, nobody would be worried.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Well not to worry, after Monday's Elector process is complete everyone can finally lay down their futile attempts to deny a duly elected official office. Whatever you see Trump as, come Monday it's a done deal.

So be he viewed as a racist, womanizer, whatever......he'll certainly be sworn in as President of the US next month. Let's hope he doesn't chase interns like some before him did.
Chris B.

With Ivanka at the White House, the interns should be safe. She's going to serve as First Lady, in all ways, I'm sure.

 

[Mumbles]

The willingness to make various unconstitutional and intentionally divisive campaign promises, general demagoguery, brazen lying, and history of being something of a scam artist would be points of notably more serious direct concern regarding Trump's character, before getting to the issues that he and his current party ran on. The racism really does just seem to be icing on the cake that makes the real problems stand out more.

And it's his embrace of white nationalism and white supremacy (let's get more specific than mere "racism" that has led to much of his demagoguery, and unconstitutional and divisive promises. He's not proposing to torture Dylan Roof's family, or having police around the nation harass, arrest, and beat white people due to their skin color, after all.

He called for the execution of those innocent of the crime.

And has mantained this position even when DNA evidence exonerated them.

Way more than that. See how racist David Clarke is against blacks, while being black.

There are many many shades of racism.

Indeed, Clarke is not only that, but a perfect example of out-of-control law enforcement, complete with an obsession with crushing protestors and running a prison in which multiple people have died due to simple malice. And, surprise, Trump loves the guy.