Are all Trump supporters racists?

[Aridas]

What exactly do you mean by "actual serious concerns"? I assure you, this is an extremely serious concern to me, my family, and my friends, because we stand to be directly impacted by his open white supremacy, much like the brazen racism and homophobia that infested the North Carolina GOP directly affected my family, and some friends, who lived there.

And while GOPers might stand up against some of Trump's more outlandish nominations, such as John Bolton, we've learned over the years that we absolutely cannot rely on white Americans to stand up for minority rights. If anything, we can expect that a majority of white Americans will not do so - as they demonstrated on November 8th of this year.

The willingness to make various unconstitutional and intentionally divisive campaign promises, general demagoguery, brazen lying, and history of being something of a scam artist would be points of notably more serious direct concern regarding Trump's character, before getting to the issues that he and his current party ran on. The racism really does just seem to be icing on the cake that makes the real problems stand out more.

As for White America... Meh. As part of the way politics actually work, the general population needs to be actively seeking to work in their own self interest, not just entrust it to others who can be reasonably be presumed to also be working in their own self interest.

It's perfectly fine to view Trump as you wish. I just don't see him as a racist. A few poorly worded comments doesn't condemn someone or brand them as a racist. We tend to overlook the exact same type of poorly worded comments when they come from individuals on the Left. Who was it that said "Republicans are gonna put ya'll back in chains." or can we remember who said young Black men were "Super predators".......If we apply the same rules as are being applied to Trump, then Biden and Clinton are racists. How about the comment Bill Clinton made about Obama? "A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags."

Really now, are you quite sure poorly worded statements are a qualifier for determining who is a racist? And thereby labeling those that own them racists? I'll go along with it if you will. Chris B.

You say it like it's just been a few and that you haven't been directly pointed to actions that clearly count as racist. You also say that like you think that I'd ever claim that "the left" can't be racist. As for the quotes that you're pulling out... you have a strange filtering system. When did the Republican Party become a race? When did a comment about historical differences in opportunity become racist?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

The willingness to make various unconstitutional campaign promises, general demagoguery, brazen lying, and history of being something of a scam artist would be points of notably more serious direct concern regarding Trump's character, before getting to the issues that he and his current party ran on. The racism really does just seem to be icing on the cake that makes the real problems stand out more.

As for White America... Meh. As part of the way politics actually work, the general population needs to be actively seeking to work in their own self interest, not just entrust it to others who can be reasonably be presumed to also be working in their own self interest.



You say it like it's just been a few and that you haven't been directly pointed to actions that clearly count as racist. You also say that like you think that I'd ever claim that "the left" can't be racist. As for the quotes that you're pulling out... you have a strange filtering system. When did the Republican Party become a race? When did a comment about historical differences in opportunity become racist?

If you'll reread my post, you'll notice I was talking about poorly worded statements. Not that the Republican party is a race, the people Biden was talking to were on the receiving side of that one........

Are you certain Bill Clinton's remark about Obama carrying his bags is not racist? Seems like you think what applies to Trump does not apply with Democrats...highly dishonest argument. The only person you fool with that one is yourself. Both were poorly worded and both could be viewed as racist statements..............In other words no, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Chris B.

 

[Mumbles]

So you really see the US as a Black and a White Nation?

I follow the evidence - and the evidence that race continues to play a role in how people are treated in the US is overwhelming.

I think equal treatment for all without any regard for skin color is more like it.

Equal treatment is what I hope for in the future. Trump is a self-described enemy to this cause. And again, those who voted for him have shown, at the very least, a disinterest towards equality.

That's me though. If you look for racism with a chip on your shoulder, you're gonna find it, even where it doesn't exist. Chris B.

I have no need to have a chip on my shoulder to realize that someone who tries to punch me in the face is hostile.

 

[blutoski]

I have no need to have a chip on my shoulder to realize that someone who tries to punch me in the face is hostile.

Yep. No need to go looking for racism. It seems to go out of its way to find me.

 

[blutoski]

Any attempt to analyze the Boy King as if he is a normal person is doomed to failure. He's a self-serving narcissist who can put on any mask he needs to manipulate the audience at hand, so you look a little silly claiming someone else is naive. He was never a "great guy." It's really a shame that his parents made the mistake of sending him to military school instead of a therapist; at that age, he probably could have been helped. Anyway, it's pretty obvious why he was a "Democrat" when he was wheeling and dealing in Manhattan, and why he switched to the Republican Party when he decided to run for president. The reason is certainly not flattering to Republicans.

Recall he made a bid for Reform presidential candidacy in 1998 for the 2000 election.

His platform was fully deregulating trade, and establishing free universal healthcare.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

@OP. Been giving it more thought. Yes.

In context, there have been earlier "whitelashes" after apparent changes in black status, such as following Reconstruction, when the KKK was used to first cow white liberals, then blacks; this is another instance, somewhat sanitized in terms of overt violence, but as deeply wrong. I am warming to the idea that the only meaningful discussion, however, has to do with grass roots activism to achieve majorities at local and state levels, which is where all the groundwork has been done by the Republicans, much of it crystal clear whitelash, as plain as day.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I follow the evidence - and the evidence that race continues to play a role in how people are treated in the US is overwhelming.



Equal treatment is what I hope for in the future. Trump is a self-described enemy to this cause. And again, those who voted for him have shown, at the very least, a disinterest towards equality.



I have no need to have a chip on my shoulder to realize that someone who tries to punch me in the face is hostile.

I have noticed the Country has been more divided during Obama's Presidency. Shocking that it's turned out that way but it's true, our Country is not unified and the racial tensions are the highest I've seen them since the 60's.

There is a reason for this but I think unity is on the way. I do disagree with your view that Trump voters show a disinterest towards equality. One can point to the small percentages within both parties that are racists, but they're such a small part they're not representative of either whole.

I know the Black Panther party supported Obama, however I don't believe for a second he's a member or that he condones that sort of hatred. Same with Trump and the White supremies. As a member of the Republican party I was able to accept Obama honestly without the rhetoric, it's a shame Democrats cannot do the same for Trump. They're still trying to take the election away from Trump even though he won outright by an Electoral college landslide over Clinton. Chris B.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Why do you believe he's a billionaire -- because he said so? It's true that almost all of the bankruptcy loses were other people's money (for which he took the tax deductions for 18 years!), but there's a pretty good chance he's not a billionaire except in his own bloated estimation of the worth of the Trump brand. It's possible that he can't divest because he needs the cashflow to service his multi-billion-dollar debts. (We don't know all the details and likely never will, but it is known from public records that he has nearly a billion in personal debt and two billion in company debts.)

And after claiming he was so rich he would finance his own campaign so he wouldn't be beholden to anyone, nobody who's paid attention to his "successful" career should have been surprised when he started taking donations, or that he has now nominated for his administration three people who contributed a total of $11 million.

You've been had.

I'm probably not a Trump fan as most will realize, but can we put this "But is he really a billionaire" nonsense to rest. His holdings in Manhattan real estate put him well over that number. And those are minority positions, e.g. forty-something per cent. Even if we discount for the failed ventures and the losses he likely took on them, he's still got more than ten billion in real estate holdings. And there's no hidden debts to get near to that amount. He's a billionaire. A big-mouth racist billionaire who enables bigots and would sell his soul for a free plug for his brand, but a billionaire nevertheless.

 

[varwoche]

I'm probably not a Trump fan as most will realize, but can we put this "But is he really a billionaire" nonsense to rest. His holdings in Manhattan real estate put him well over that number. And those are minority positions, e.g. forty-something per cent. Even if we discount for the failed ventures and the losses he likely took on them, he's still got more than ten billion in real estate holdings. And there's no hidden debts to get near to that amount. He's a billionaire. A big-mouth racist billionaire who enables bigots and would sell his soul for a free plug for his brand, but a billionaire nevertheless.

I'd like to know what you base this on, but maybe later in a thread more suitable

 

[Mumbles]

I have noticed the Country has been more divided during Obama's Presidency. Shocking that it's turned out that way but it's true, our Country is not unified and the racial tensions are the highest I've seen them since the 60's.

I noticed it as well, and was not surprised in the slightest. In fact, I immediately agreed when Obama won the election and folks said "You're about to see some real racism come down, get ready.", and when people said "2012 will be the most racist presidential election season we've seen in decades."

In reality, as I've said before, Trump made it the most racist racist season in 2011, so we underestimated things.

But we certainly saw the "Obamas are apes", "Obama phones", "Barack the Magic Negro", "Obama as a witch doctor", birtherism, people giving money to Zimmerman for murdering Trayvon Martin (people paid to be racist!), the love for police violence against black and brown people, and the anger directed at a nonviolent movement asking for people to be treated equally.

I said, years ago on the JREF, that many people get angrier when a cop shoots a dog than when a cop shoots and innocent black person, and people lost their minds. The past 8 years have proven me correct - and the people who I described have become increasingly vocal about it.

There is a reason for this but I think unity is on the way. I do disagree with your view that Trump voters show a disinterest towards equality. One can point to the small percentages within both parties that are racists, but they're such a small part they're not representative of either whole.

According to studies, it's about 1/4 of white democrats, and 1/2 of white republicans. I';m unaware of any such studies for nonwhite people.

I know the Black Panther party supported Obama,

The Black Panther Party dissolved decades ago, and therefore cannot possibly support anybody. The "New Black Panther Party", who are actual black supremacists, offered Obama tepid support. This is irrelevant to the discussion of Donald Trump, who again has repeatedly called for state violence against black people as nation-wide policy, and has appointed a white nationalist as his advisor. Whether or not he disavows David Duke is therefore of no importance to me.

 

[Aridas]

If you'll reread my post, you'll notice I was talking about poorly worded statements.

Which might be relevant had you shown that Trump's statements were poorly worded, instead of exactly what he meant to say at the time. You haven't.

Not that the Republican party is a race,

You want to claim that that one was poorly worded? Seriously? It sounds like it was pointedly intended to be a politically charged lie, if it wasn't a false belief itself. Trying to pass it off as poorly worded isn't particularly convincing.

Are you certain Bill Clinton's remark about Obama carrying his bags is not racist?

I don't see any good reason to take it as if it was, based on its own merits, and you've provided no reason to take it that way.

Seems like you think what applies to Trump does not apply with Democrats...highly dishonest argument. The only person you fool with that one is yourself. Both were poorly worded and both could be viewed as racist statements..............In other words no, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Chris B.

You failed to demonstrate that 1) Trump's statements were poorly worded, 2) that Trump's actions weren't actually racist, 3) that political affiliation mattered at all here, or even 4) that either remark actually in question in your post was either racist or poorly worded. You're the one engaging in highly dishonest argument, quite clearly.

 

[desmirelle]

Whereas I know of a medical professional who thinks actual angels from heaven walk among us.

In other words, your weak anecdote informs readers of precisely nothing.

What went over your head was the fact that at least one voter voted Trump not out of hate and racism, but out of a concern that Clinton had medical issues that would make her incapable of actually being POTUS. The second one voted AGAINST her for the same reason, so at least two votes were cast (not for identification/support of Gary or Donald) but out of medical concerns connected with Clinton. So that it makes it a "no" answer to the thread title. People make voting decisions in the strangest ways.

 

[varwoche]

What went over your head was the fact that at least one voter voted Trump not out of hate and racism, but out of a concern that Clinton had medical issues that would make her incapable of actually being POTUS. The second one voted AGAINST her for the same reason, so at least two votes were cast (not for identification/support of Gary or Donald) but out of medical concerns connected with Clinton. So that it makes it a "no" answer to the thread title. People make voting decisions in the strangest ways.

Pardon me, I didn't pick up on that aspect of your post. In general, I assign little weight to unconfirmable anecdotes emanating from anonymous internet personas, and I was overly eager to express that sentiment.

I fully realize that not all Trump supporters are racists. (With the caveat that I don't view racism as a binary state, but as a gradation that most everyone is subject to).

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Which might be relevant had you shown that Trump's statements were poorly worded, instead of exactly what he meant to say at the time. You haven't.



You want to claim that that one was poorly worded? Seriously? It sounds like it was pointedly intended to be a politically charged lie, if it wasn't a false belief itself. Trying to pass it off as poorly worded isn't particularly convincing.



I don't see any good reason to take it as if it was, based on its own merits, and you've provided no reason to take it that way.



You failed to demonstrate that 1) Trump's statements were poorly worded, 2) that Trump's actions weren't actually racist, 3) that political affiliation mattered at all here, or even 4) that either remark actually in question in your post was either racist or poorly worded. You're the one engaging in highly dishonest argument, quite clearly.

The failure is yours. By accusing Trump of racism for his statements yet looking the other way when Bill Clinton makes a plainly racist statement saying that Obama would be carrying his bags not that long ago?

You are partisan to the extreme and likely dizzy from the spin. Chris B.

 

[Aridas]

The failure is yours. By accusing Trump of racism for his statements yet looking the other way when Bill Clinton makes a plainly racist statement saying that Obama would be carrying his bags not that long ago?

So, how was Clinton's statement racist? You've failed to demonstrate that at all, merely claimed, entirely without justification, that it is. It is a simple fact that historically, there was a distinct difference in opportunities available. Acknowledging this fact doesn't endorse it and, by the look and sound of it, was being used to do the exact opposite. There's nothing suggesting the superiority of any particular race there and there's nothing suggesting that discrimination was good there. Your false equivalence fails.

You are partisan to the extreme and likely dizzy from the spin. Chris B.

You've been given the chance to back up your claims, yet you repeatedly fail to do so. You try to call my position highly dishonest with highly dishonest methods. You call me partisan while giving every reason to believe that it's only you who is being partisan. I'm thoroughly unimpressed with your bluster.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

So, how was Clinton's statement racist? You've failed to demonstrate that at all, merely claimed, entirely without justification, that it is. It is a simple fact that historically, there was a distinct difference in opportunities available. Acknowledging this fact doesn't endorse it and, by the look and sound of it, was being used to do the exact opposite. There's nothing suggesting the superiority of any particular race there and there's nothing suggesting that discrimination was good there. Your false equivalence fails.



You've been given the chance to back up your claims, yet you repeatedly fail to do so. You try to call my position highly dishonest with highly dishonest methods. You call me partisan while giving every reason to believe that it's only you who is being partisan. I'm thoroughly unimpressed with your bluster.

Keep claiming Bill Clinton's statement was not racist, you're proving my point.

You obviously know the backstory of it. I like the way you try to sow doubt that he even said it, since you already know it was indeed racist. Beautiful maneuvering. This “carrying our bags” line could easily be read as looking back to the days when African Americans were commonly seen as porters, baggage handlers, housekeepers, and other domestic employees. The fact that it was said about Obama at a time Clinton's wife was running in the primaries of 2008 further cements the sentiment. Bill and Hilly both came from Arkansas......

You're obviously up on your spin game, I'm not interested in the spin though. People sometimes say dumb things, no matter who they are or which party they represent and that's the facts. Chris B.

 

[LSSBB]

Keep claiming Bill Clinton's statement was not racist, you're proving my point.

You obviously know the backstory of it. I like the way you try to sow doubt that he even said it, since you already know it was indeed racist. Beautiful maneuvering. This “carrying our bags” line could easily be read as looking back to the days when African Americans were commonly seen as porters, baggage handlers, housekeepers, and other domestic employees. The fact that it was said about Obama at a time Clinton's wife was running in the primaries of 2008 further cements the sentiment. Bill and Hilly both came from Arkansas......

You're obviously up on your spin game, I'm not interested in the spin though. People sometimes say dumb things, no matter who they are or which party they represent and that's the facts. Chris B.

The doubt is all right there in the highlighted section.

 

[Aridas]

Keep claiming Bill Clinton's statement was not racist, you're proving my point.

You obviously know the backstory of it.

Actually, no, I don't. I'm judging solely based on what you've described.

I like the way you try to sow doubt that he even said it, since you already know it was indeed racist.

Hmm? Where? You really like making things up, it seems. One dishonest tactic after another.

Beautiful maneuvering. This “carrying our bags” line could easily be read as looking back to the days when African Americans were commonly seen as porters, baggage handlers, housekeepers, and other domestic employees. The fact that it was said about Obama at a time Clinton's wife was running in the primaries of 2008 further cements the sentiment. Bill and Hilly both came from Arkansas......

Taking it alone, like I did because you presented it that way, it quite sounds like he's saying something more along the lines of "look at how far we've come" and "Obama's talents would have been wasted as a porter, aren't you glad that he's had the opportunity to rise like he has?" As a general matter, Clinton and Obama have been political allies and thus mostly positive towards each other, after all. If you're adding information, now, to claim that they were opponents at the time, it can become more suspicious, much as I would still want to see the surrounding context, given that, as noted, they've mostly been politically allied. Thank you for at least starting to back up one of your claims, instead of just pronouncing victory, bias, and such without any demonstrated justification at all, like the last couple posts of yours. You've still got a long way to go, though, with the rest. Either way, if you were honest, you might be interested in tendering a bit of an apology, but then, if you were honest, you likely wouldn't be making constant false accusations in the first place.

You're obviously up on your spin game, I'm not interested in the spin though. People sometimes say dumb things, no matter who they are or which party they represent and that's the facts. Chris B.

Riiiight. I'm totally the one trying to spin things here, totally, with constant false accusations and pointedly avoiding or trying to hand wave away the actually important points. Oh wait. That's you. Nevermind.

A bit separately, I actually am curious. Why are you so set on trying to effectively give Trump a free pass? Even moreso when it comes to a person like me who doesn't especially care whether he's racist or not. Rather, my actual concerns with him, like they would be with any President, are far more related to how well I think that he can do the job and whether they'll be helping the country move in a more positive direction. My actual recent concern in this particular thread, on the other hand, was fairly simply that you've just kept forwarding such terrible arguments for your position, one after another. Terrible arguments quite annoy me, regardless of whether I agree with the position that the person's trying to support or not. Incidentally, at the beginning, I added various data points to the table against Trump supporters mostly being racist, given that I'm unaware of anyone that I've met in real life who voted for Trump for racist (or bigoted) reasons. A number that did so for somewhat dumb reasons, but not racist ones.

 

[WilliamSeger]

The failure is yours. By accusing Trump of racism for his statements yet looking the other way when Bill Clinton makes a plainly racist statement saying that Obama would be carrying his bags not that long ago?

You are partisan to the extreme and likely dizzy from the spin. Chris B.

Whoa up; you're presenting an unsubstantiated second-hand quote, without any context whatsoever, and claiming it proves that "Bill Clinton makes a plainly racist statement?" And furthermore, if Adridas is "looking the other way" from this non-existent evidence, then he is partisan, so it's okay for your hero to make blatantly racist statements?

Seriously?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

You guys are so willing to defend Bill Clinton. A proven sexual predator. The hipocrisy of the Left is hilarious. Chris B.