Utopia and Time Travel

[William Parcher]

The most accurate measurement of time that we have is the atomic clock. So I ask you, what is the movement that we are measuring when we use the atomic clock to determine the passage of time?

 

[Navigator]

The most accurate measurement of time that we have is the atomic clock. So I ask you, what is the movement that we are measuring when we use the atomic clock to determine the passage of time?

Well...I have already answered that in other ways so you should be able to figure that out for yourself William.

 

[Navigator]

Except for that one subatomic particle on Beta Reticula V. That's the actual center of the Universe.

I think bringing in the center of the universe might derail the thread.

But I also think the center of the universe would have to be the exact spot where the BB happened...

 

[William Parcher]

Well...I have already answered that so you should be able to figure that out for yourself William.

The atomic clock Is measuring the movement of the earth and/or the universe? Is that your answer?

 

[Brainache]

The most accurate measurement of time that we have is the atomic clock. So I ask you, what is the movement that we are measuring when we use the atomic clock to determine the passage of time?

According to this, it's microwaves:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock

The principle of operation of an atomic clock is not based on nuclear physics, but rather on atomic physics; it uses the microwave signal that electrons in atoms emit when they change energy levels...

Or maybe electrons...

 

[Pixel42]

I would like to see where anyone has thought this exact theory and compare to my thinking.

I once read a science fiction story written in the first person by a father whose young son developed a terminal illness. The boy came up with the idea of burying his stamp collection with a letter asking whoever eventually found it to sell the stamps (which he reasoned would be worth a lot by then) and use the money to finance a trip back in time to collect him and take him to the future, where his illness could now be cured. The father did not realise what the son was doing until a time machine turned up and took the boy, whereupon he reburied the boy's time capsule much more securely, knowing for sure the plan would work.

Unfortunately I can't remember either the title of the story or its author, so I can't give you a link.

 

[Brainache]

I would like to see where anyone has thought this exact theory and compare to my thinking.

Maybe not exactly...

 

[Navigator]

The most accurate measurement of time that we have is the atomic clock. So I ask you, what is the movement that we are measuring when we use the atomic clock to determine the passage of time?

Well...I have already answered that in other ways so you should be able to figure that out for yourself William.

The atomic clock Is measuring the movement of the earth and/or the universe? Is that your answer?

The atomic clock is in the same universe as the stone monument.

Everything is moving and time in measured by that fact.

Waves, oscillation, movement...when something moves through space, we think of that as taking 'time' no movement, no time...time = movement which when subjected to observation is able to be measured and one of the the movements measured is called 'TIME'.

 

[Roboramma]

Sure, but that only works because the monument doesn't move.

If you were to use the Washington Monument as a sundial you would be relying on the fact that it is moving (in a very regular fashion) with respect to the sun.

Unless you want to say that the Washington Monument isn't moving and the sun is revolving around the earth? In which case you'd be using it to measure the movement of the sun*.

*That's a rather odd perspective to take.

 

[Roboramma]

The atomic clock is in the same universe as the stone monument.

Everything is moving and time in measured by that fact.

Waves, oscillation, movement...when something moves through space, we think of that as taking 'time' no movement, no time...time = movement which when subjected to observation is able to be measured and one of the the movements measured is called 'TIME'.

Which do you take as more fundamental, movement or time? It seems to me to be quite easy to define time as dimension in which things exist and define movement as a sort of geometric measure of an object's path through spacetime.

How would you define movement if not with respect to time?

 

[marplots]

Which do you take as more fundamental, movement or time? It seems to me to be quite easy to define time as dimension in which things exist and define movement as a sort of geometric measure of an object's path through spacetime.

How would you define movement if not with respect to time?

Objects are moving relative to each other if they disagree on a measure of length in any direction. The direction in which they disagree the most is the direction of motion of one relative to the other.

 

[arthwollipot]

Time isn't granular.

Technically it is, but on a very tiny scale.

I wasn't asking if things are real.

But since you have brought them back into the argument, what I said;

Time is measured by the observation of the movement of things in relation to what is observing and measuring those things.

Time exists in the mind and interpreted through the movement of things.

Therefore those dimensions of time and width etc...exist in the mind.

Things have width. Width, height, depth and time exist.

What only exists in our minds are the measurements of those things. Width exists. Metres exist only in our minds. Time exists. Seconds exist only in our minds.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

@OP: Stephen Hawking already held a party with invitations to future time travelers. No one showed up.

 

[Navigator]

Which do you take as more fundamental, movement or time? It seems to me to be quite easy to define time as dimension in which things exist and define movement as a sort of geometric measure of an object's path through spacetime.

How would you define movement if not with respect to time?

I don't. How can time be measured without movement? How can there be movement without space in which to move? Time and movement are the same it would seem.

How can there be movement/time without things?

How can things exist without an observer? (without consciousness acknowledging their existence)?

 

[Navigator]

What only exists in our minds are the measurements of those things. Width exists. Metres exist only in our minds. Time exists. Seconds exist only in our minds.

Nicely said.

So width exists as an object. What object does time represent, in order that we can show it exists?

 

[Mojo]

So width exists as an object.

Nope, width exists as a property.

 

[alfaniner]

At any given time, one can determine either the velocity or the position of an object, but not both.

 

[marplots]

As to the OP, it may be that future folks have already sculpted our present with Utopia in mind. It's just that for them to enjoy Utopia, our era has to suck.

 

[Navigator]

Nope, width exists as a property.

Width exists as a property of an object.

 

[Hokulele]

Width exists as a property of an object.

Nope. You can describes voids using width, too.

As alfaniner mentioned, you may want to read up on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.