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Utopia and Time Travel

alfaniner said:
I think we are already living in an alternate timeline. The divergence happened oh, about a month ago. I sure as hell feel there's something currently wrong with the universe.
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There is nothing wrong with the universe. It is functioning perfectly.
 
Apathia said:
Dear Future Time Travelers,

I'm leaving this message to you in the International Skeptics Forum which I'm sure the archives of which will be read by scholars and school children in the 23rd Century.

Please, if it's not against regulations use your time travel technology to go back to October 22, 2016 and prevent the dirty bomb terrorist attack on Los Angeles.

Thank you for any assistance,
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NOPE,wrong ! you dont want to change the past. you just want to mold the outcome. That's simple!
 
William Parcher said:
No. You are looking past you. You see that the bathroom wall behind you is dirty. Clean it in the future.
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While we all can have fun with this, we might want to delineate what is meant by 'past' 'present' and 'future'.

Is there really a present?

Or between what two points of time can the present be placed?
 
William Parcher said:
Yes.

The present is now.

That statement is always true. You can read it again tomorrow or next year and it will still be true.
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Yes BUT...you also said this:

No. You are looking past you.
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in answer to the statement

When you look in a mirror you are not looking at the present you! You are looking at a past you.

So where is the NOW in that?
 
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Navigator said:
Yes BUT...you also said this:



in answer to the statement

When you look in a mirror you are not looking at the present you! You are looking at a past you.

So where is the NOW in that?
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You got confused. Look again...

Parcher said:
No. You are looking past you. You see that the bathroom wall behind you is dirty. Clean it in the future.
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Notice that I dropped the "a" from Rush's sentence. That changed the meaning entirely from talking about time to talking about location. If you are in the bathroom looking at your image in the mirror what is past you is the wall behind you. It's similar to saying what is beyond you.

When you get to the barn you'll see cows inside.
Ok, what's past that?
The cornfield.
Ok, what's past that?
A fence row.
Ok, what's past that?
A soybean field.
 
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Navigator said:
While we all can have fun with this, we might want to delineate what is meant by 'past' 'present' and 'future'.

Is there really a present?

Or between what two points of time can the present be placed?
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Now is the point between past and future.

The past can't be changed and the future hasn't happened.

What you perceive in your mind is the recent past. It takes time for your mind to catch up with reality. In the interval between event and perception your brain creates a narrative based on the inputs received from your senses.

Sometimes that narrative created by your brain is pure fiction because the inputs from your senses are not always reliable. Stage magicians take advantage of this...
 
Navigator said:
While we all can have fun with this, we might want to delineate what is meant by 'past' 'present' and 'future'.

Is there really a present?

Or between what two points of time can the present be placed?
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arthwollipot said:
True, but the time it takes them to do so is minuscule and way lower than the human threshold of perception.
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Brainache said:
Now is the point between past and future.

The past can't be changed and the future hasn't happened.

What you perceive in your mind is the recent past. It takes time for your mind to catch up with reality. In the interval between event and perception your brain creates a narrative based on the inputs received from your senses.

Sometimes that narrative created by your brain is pure fiction because the inputs from your senses are not always reliable. Stage magicians take advantage of this...
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Hokulele said:
The past is frozen, the future is vapor, the moment is liquid.

- Surf T-Shirt
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Between what two points of time can the present be placed? By that I am asking what it is that defines the point 'past' and the point 'future' in order to know the now.

'Now appear to be the moment. At the moment. That would be the 'frozen' aspect and the 'vapor' would be the past and future.

So the moment is a bit different from the present.

But in relation to time travel, in order to travel to the past or future, these have to somehow exist, which would mean that in order to exist these would have to be like a film on a reel...

But then again, distance seems to allow something to appear to exist to those observing it from a distance...such as a star...what we observe in the night sky is the light from the past - the distant past. and many of those stars no longer are in the position we observe them being in the NOW - those that still exist are actually in a different position in space than how we are observing them....so things have moved so time is things which move.

Thus, time travel is 'things that move with things that move.'

If the future exists, how to catch up with it?

Anyway - rambling thoughts...flung nonchalantly
 
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Navigator said:
Between what two points of time can the present be placed? By that I am asking what it is that defines the point 'past' and the point 'future' in order to know the now.

'Now appear to be the moment. At the moment. That would be the 'frozen' aspect and the 'vapor' would be the past and future.

So the moment is a bit different from the present.

But in relation to time travel, in order to travel to the past or future, these have to somehow exist, which would mean that in order to exist these would have to be like a film on a reel...

But then again, distance seems to allow something to appear to exist to those observing it from a distance...such as a star...what we observe in the night sky is the light from the past - the distant past. and many of those stars no longer are in the position we observe them being in the NOW - those that still exist are actually in a different position in space than how we are observing them....so things have moved so time is things which move.

Thus, time travel is 'things that move with things that move.'

If the future exists, how to catch up with it?

Anyway - rambling thoughts...flung nonchalantly
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Now is when the photons meet your eye. You take the now with you when you move. Time and space are relative...

And language is a virus...
 
Time is measured by the observation of the movement of things in relation to what is observing and measuring those things.

Time exists in the mind and interpreted through the movement of things.
 
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