Who killed Meredith Kercher? part 23

[NotEvenWrong]

Vixen,
Do you think it's weird that you have to resort to arguing that it is completely impossible for a 20 year old athletic semi-pro basketball player to throw a 9 pound rock 6.5 feet, when high school boys can throw 12 pound shots 50+ feet?

Like, this is your slam dunk case and one of the strongest pieces of evidence you have? This is why you have spent 9 years arguing about this case and have tried to ruin Amanda Knox's life by spreading lies and propaganda all over the internet?

Do you think it may be time to reevaluate your life choices?

 

[Bill Williams]

Please pay attention. The source is TEK Journalism in this instance, widely reported ATT.

LOL!

It's hard to pay attention when what you cited made no mention of Tek Journalism or that you found nothing "at the time" which "widely reported" this.

Is the factoid that it was "widely reported" another lie, or are you going to provide a link to a citation?

The fact of the matter is that you made an allegation above and beyond the reporting of rumour - you said it was a "rape prank", and that Amanda had slept with a friends boyfriend.....

..... all of which would have been relevant AT TRIAL as the sole indicator of prior behaviour relating to one of the charges they faced.

So far, all you've done is lie and make things up, and cite TJMK - which is not a source. It's just not.

Neither is, "it was reported widely at the time". That phrase is another lie until you can come up with a proper citation.

 

[Numbers]

You need to treat the initial upward (or downward) lift as a quite separate equation.

This is almost correct.

What do you mean by lift? Do you know the aerodynamic characteristics of the rock with respect to lift and drag?

Are you aware that physicists use lift to mean something very specific?

What are all the variables and assumptions that are needed to calculate upward or downward motion of the rock?

And can you show the system of equations that determine the motion of the rock in each direction in a physically meaningful model of real kinematic behavior?

 

[js202]

Vixen,
Do you think it's weird that you have to resort to arguing that it is completely impossible for a 20 year old athletic semi-pro basketball player to throw a 9 pound rock 6.5 feet, when high school boys can throw 12 pound shots 50+ feet?

And, on top of it, doing so like a not very bright 4th grader? I mean, one would expect from an adult MENSA member - in what, their 7th decade? - at least first rate sophistry.

 

[js202]

1) What is a "multishaped" object?

Think Mystique in X-Men. Or one of Vixen's idiotic, not-even-worthy-of 'misshapen', 'arguments'.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

It's incredible to me that this many years later there are still people who think these two innocent kids were involved in this horrible crime. All this seems to flow from a panicky, unprofessional police department feeling that they MUST point the finger at someone rapidly after the murder. Then doubling, tripling, quadrupling down...

 

[LondonJohn]

LOL!

It's hard to pay attention when what you cited made no mention of Tek Journalism or that you found nothing "at the time" which "widely reported" this.

Is the factoid that it was "widely reported" another lie, or are you going to provide a link to a citation?

The fact of the matter is that you made an allegation above and beyond the reporting of rumour - you said it was a "rape prank", and that Amanda had slept with a friends boyfriend.....

..... all of which would have been relevant AT TRIAL as the sole indicator of prior behaviour relating to one of the charges they faced.

So far, all you've done is lie and make things up, and cite TJMK - which is not a source. It's just not.

Neither is, "it was reported widely at the time". That phrase is another lie until you can come up with a proper citation.

It's also worth taking about 20 seconds to research exactly what "TEK Journalism" (*snigger*) actually is. And exactly what it is not.

And, at the same time, we can all take a moment to understand just how intellectually dishonest it it to claim "TEK Journalism" as an authoritative, reliable source. But, as we all know, that's par for the course.

 

[LondonJohn]

Vixen,
Do you think it's weird that you have to resort to arguing that it is completely impossible for a 20 year old athletic semi-pro basketball player to throw a 9 pound rock 6.5 feet, when high school boys can throw 12 pound shots 50+ feet?

Like, this is your slam dunk case and one of the strongest pieces of evidence you have? This is why you have spent 9 years arguing about this case and have tried to ruin Amanda Knox's life by spreading lies and propaganda all over the internet?

Do you think it may be time to reevaluate your life choices?

..

 

[LondonJohn]

No, I don't but I think 1/3 meter is close.

These are links to the paperworks:
Pasquali-Lombardi-Rock-Throw-Report
Pasquali-rock-throwing-simulation-photos

and the trial testimony.

Yeah, but the boulder slab rock thrown by Guede was multishaped, see, so, erm........ yeah, that must change something......erm......lift.........erm pounds per square inch/foot second..........erm...........distance in mass per pound cubic foot weight.....so......yeah.....ermmm....... this CLEARLY illustrates from scientific first principles just how Guede simply could not have completed that throw! And I regularly used to beat my great-uncle - a Nobel laureate in physics - in the little physics tests we used to set ourselves before dinner in the log cabin. Even when I was four years old. So don't doubt that I know the maths and physics here, AND YOU ARE IGNORANT IF YOU THINK I'M WRONG!

 

[Bill Williams]

It's also worth taking about 20 seconds to research exactly what "TEK Journalism" (*snigger*) actually is. And exactly what it is not.

And, at the same time, we can all take a moment to understand just how intellectually dishonest it it to claim "TEK Journalism" as an authoritative, reliable source. But, as we all know, that's par for the course.

I'm afraid to say and ashamed to admit that Vixen made me look. She's now having a good laugh sending me off on this wild goose chase.

But I now know what "Tek journalism" is.

It's "hobby journalism." From their website:

The Team
Eileen Kersey:

​ The editor, creator and owner of NEWTEKJournalism UK lives where the site is based in Yorkshire and writes for a hobby since retirement.

NEWTEK Journalism UK
We are a small venture operating out of Yorkshire in the UK originally created in 2011. Readers will discover a wealth of articles, including news and views. Our readership continues to grow.​

T.H.I.S. is Vixen's source. An April Fool's prank from 2009 gets reported by a hobbyist in 2011, maybe because Eileen had stumbled across TJMK. Then again we don't even know that, because Vixen - once again - provides no cite from Tek Journaism nor a link to the relevant article, which probably does not exist - which means I'm the fool for even trying to look.

So now Vixen has neither provided a cite for one - just one - forensic-DNA expert who agrees with Stefanoni's DNA work, she also has not provided a cite for what she made up out of thin air - and rumour - about the April Fool's prank being a rape prank.

Vixen just made it up. And she turns around and calls Knox a liar.

 

[abaddon]

Yeah, but the boulder slab rock thrown by Guede was multishaped, see, so, erm........ yeah, that must change something......erm......lift.........erm pounds per square inch/foot second..........erm...........distance in mass per pound cubic foot weight.....so......yeah.....ermmm....... this CLEARLY illustrates from scientific first principles just how Guede simply could not have completed that throw! And I regularly used to beat my great-uncle - a Nobel laureate in physics - in the little physics tests we used to set ourselves before dinner in the log cabin. Even when I was four years old. So don't doubt that I know the maths and physics here, AND YOU ARE IGNORANT IF YOU THINK I'M WRONG!

Yeah, I don't post much in this thread, mostly I lurk. The plainly incoherent physics claims prompted me to a "WTF?" reaction. I was further astonished by the doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down that followed. This has obviously painted a picture in lurid colours for me. I have gone from "I will give fair hearing" to "You have no clue what you are talking about" in short order.

You know what I'm saying.

 

[whoanellie]

Mass is density and can be measured as weight per cubic feet,

When Machiavelli was posting here you knew that he fervently believed what he was writing. I've never been convinced Vixen is sincere. I maintain that a plausible explanation for posts such as the one I've quoted is that Vixen is trying to see just how ridiculous she can be and still get folks to engage in a serious discussion with her.

 

[Numbers]

When Machiavelli was posting here you knew that he fervently believed what he was writing. I've never been convinced Vixen is sincere. I maintain that a plausible explanation for posts such as the one I've quoted is that Vixen is trying to see just how ridiculous she can be and still get folks to engage in a serious discussion with her.

It is possible that the posts that don't make sense are to be taken as parodies of the opinions (motivation reports) of the convicting judges Massei and Nencini, and of the Chieffi CSC panel.

 

[Vixen]

This is almost correct.

What do you mean by lift? Do you know the aerodynamic characteristics of the rock with respect to lift and drag?

Are you aware that physicists use lift to mean something very specific?

What are all the variables and assumptions that are needed to calculate upward or downward motion of the rock?

And can you show the system of equations that determine the motion of the rock in each direction in a physically meaningful model of real kinematic behavior?

This is like an exam, Numbers! I have already sent you NASA's fact sheet in how to calculate what happens to a baseball in flight. For your homework, please revise this and then YOU tell ME, 'What are all the variables and assumptions that are needed to calculate upward or downward motion of the rock' and can you show the system of equations that determine the motion of the rock in each direction in a physically meaningful model of real kinematic behavior?


Sheee-eeesh!

 

[abaddon]

This is like an exam, Numbers! I have already sent you NASA's fact sheet in how to calculate what happens to a baseball in flight. For your homework, please revise this and then YOU tell ME, 'What are all the variables and assumptions that are needed to calculate upward or downward motion of the rock' and can you show the system of equations that determine the motion of the rock in each direction in a physically meaningful model of real kinematic behavior?


Sheee-eeesh!

You are making a claim. It is up to you to provide evidence for your claim. You are attempting to shift the burden of proof.

Frankly, I don't care whether AK is guilty or innocent. I care whether you are spouting unscientific baloney. So far, you are spouting unscientific baloney. Newton, ballistics, equations even simple common sense seems to evade you.

That is nobodies fault but yours.

 

[Vixen]

LOL!

It's hard to pay attention when what you cited made no mention of Tek Journalism or that you found nothing "at the time" which "widely reported" this.

Is the factoid that it was "widely reported" another lie, or are you going to provide a link to a citation?

The fact of the matter is that you made an allegation above and beyond the reporting of rumour - you said it was a "rape prank", and that Amanda had slept with a friends boyfriend.....

..... all of which would have been relevant AT TRIAL as the sole indicator of prior behaviour relating to one of the charges they faced.

So far, all you've done is lie and make things up, and cite TJMK - which is not a source. It's just not.

Neither is, "it was reported widely at the time". That phrase is another lie until you can come up with a proper citation.

I have read it in several places. Obviously the motive for the nasty vandalism is conjecture. However, it is likely Amanda was jealous, given this was her boyfriend's new girlfriend.

 

[abaddon]

This is like an exam, Numbers! I have already sent you NASA's fact sheet in how to calculate what happens to a baseball in flight. For your homework, please revise this and then YOU tell ME, 'What are all the variables and assumptions that are needed to calculate upward or downward motion of the rock' and can you show the system of equations that determine the motion of the rock in each direction in a physically meaningful model of real kinematic behavior?


Sheee-eeesh!

So you are stating that you are unable to do so? Really?

Where are your calculations? So far, you seem to have no clue how it works.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

This is like an exam, Numbers! I have already sent you NASA's fact sheet in how to calculate what happens to a baseball in flight. For your homework, please revise this and then YOU tell ME, 'What are all the variables and assumptions that are needed to calculate upward or downward motion of the rock' and can you show the system of equations that determine the motion of the rock in each direction in a physically meaningful model of real kinematic behavior?


Sheee-eeesh!

Vixen you are by far my favorite internet troll. It tickles me that you may be a real person.

 

[Vixen]

And, on top of it, doing so like a not very bright 4th grader? I mean, one would expect from an adult MENSA member - in what, their 7th decade? - at least first rate sophistry.

Wrong, you cheeky sod.

 

[Vixen]

It's incredible to me that this many years later there are still people who think these two innocent kids were involved in this horrible crime. All this seems to flow from a panicky, unprofessional police department feeling that they MUST point the finger at someone rapidly after the murder. Then doubling, tripling, quadrupling down...

This was the same police chief, Profazio, who found the killer of American Miss Olsen (_sp?) within two days.


Another conspiracy theory bites the dust.