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Who killed Meredith Kercher? part 23

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Vixen said:
Do draw me a diagram of Rudy throwing this 4kg multishaped object 10 feet in a straight line three feet above his head, as we could do with some jolly good entertainment. :D:D:D
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1) What is a "multishaped" object? How can any object even be "multishaped"? Did you mean, perhaps, to write "irregularly-shaped"? And regardless, how would an irregularly-shaped object differ, for the purposes of any calculations, from a round ball of the same mass?

2) Why does the object need to be thrown in a "straight line"? Who dictated that requirement?

3) Why is the aiming point (here, Romanelli's window) "three feet above (Guede's) head"? Aren't you aware that it's perfectly possible (and logically far more likely) that Guede threw the rock while standing at the edge of the parking parapet, meaning that his throwing arm was effectively level in height with Romanelli's window? You weren't aware of that?


Come back to me with proper answers to those questions, which a) make sense, and b) are actually consistent with the laws of physics, and I'll explain to you the equations governing Guede's rock throw. I have little confidence that you'll be able to understand those equations, but nonetheless I'll provide them. You're welcome.
 
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Vixen said:
All good batsmen and pitchers/bowlers - even tennis players - know that the secret of an effective innings/bowl is the angle and strength of their thrust. They make it look easy, but these sporstmen practise for hours getting the bodies at the right angle and rotation and their batting at the perfect angle to optimise a trajectory. Some javelin throwers throw their whole body to the ground to get behind the thrust.

You can calculate the deviance from a straight line if you know any one of the following, weight, distance and time taken or velocity. Simply insert the figure into one of the relevant standard formulae and work your way through it.
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Since you are teaching us physics here, would you kindly show us the relevant standard formulae and work out the problem quantitatively?

I am really concerned about the fate of baseball if the results are not obtained.

And the question I asked was about those who throw balls - outfielders and pitchers, for example. They are not batting when they throw the balls and they are merely facing toward the person or strike zone who is the target. And they are certainly not doing any physics calculations. So how do they manage to get the ball to accurately reach the targeted person or zone?

I'll give you some hints:

For example, if one looks at the "bull pen" at a baseball field during a game, one is likely to see a pitcher and catcher practicing, separated by the regulation distance of 60.6 feet. But one is simply throwing to the other; the pitcher does not throw the ball up, but the catcher squats to catch the ball. And the ball must be thrown fast enough (horizontal velocity of at least about 65 mph) to descend only from the height of about the pitcher's hand raised above or near the level of his head, pass through the strike zone, and land in the catcher's glove.

The same principles apply to a rock thrown from the rampart by a relatively tall person through Filomena's window. If the rock is thrown fast enough, with sufficient horizontal velocity, it will have descended very little and reach its target, the window. The distance the rock must travel is only 3 meters (about 10 feet).
 
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Vixen said:
It was not a prank, it was a disgusting act of thuggish bullying.
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Vixen said:
April Fool? Prank? Strange idea of an April Fool's joke, when (a) it wasn't 1st April, and (b) didn't make the recipient of the act laugh.
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This is a perfect example of ignorance masquerading as knowledge. After researching this story, I suspect it never happened. This "prank" never appears in Follain's, Knox's, Sollecito's, or Burleigh's books. The story of this alleged prank originated from a post on The Stranger in 2007:

"Knox once got a bunch of her friends to dress up in ski masks and break into her apartment and assault her roomates as an "april fools" joke. She's guilty and f****** nuts.

Posted by Joh | December 2, 2007 2:50 PM"

and this:

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THE STRANGER Post #15


'Joh' was contacted by PMF Administrator Skeptical Bystander over a year ago and he confirmed the incident. The story came from a friend of his who lived in the student house in Seattle with Amanda Knox, the same student house incidentally where the infamous 'rock throwing party' for which Knox was fined took place. However, neither Joh or his friend wanted to come forward to the authorities with their story or go on official record, so it is a case of make of it what you will. It therefore does not form any of the official evidence against the suspects in the ILE file and will not be heard in trial or appeals. For these reasons, this information has been filed down the Rabbit Hole, instead of one of the main data threads." (PMF)

So what we really have here is someone named "Joh" who says he heard this from someone else, yet neither of them was even willing to go on record with it or can provide any evidence of it. You even embellish the story more by claiming the "victim" had slept with Amanda's boyfriend, that Amanda was "made to apologize", that it was not funny but "thuggish bullying", that it didn't occur on April Fools Day, and that the "victim" didn't think it was funny.
The alleged "victim" has never been identified. It all boils down to what one person says someone else told him. Riiiiight.
 
I seem to remember reading an account of this "prank", in which it consisted of Knox and a few of her friends, while her other housemates (roommates) were out, removing things and arranging the house to make it look like the house had been burgled (burglarised). The housemates came home, while Knox and her friends hid in another room of the house. The housemates expressed shock and surprise at the apparent "burglary", whereupon Knox and her friends emerged from their hiding place and announced that it was all just a prank. One of the housemates was apparently unhappy at having been emotionally manipulated in such a manner, and Knox and her friends apologised to that person.

I'm pretty confident that this account is written down somewhere, and I am also fairly confident that it's from a first-person source. I might try to look for it some time over the next few days, but if anyone else also feels like having a look (or, indeed, if anyone else remembers this account and remembers where it can be found....).

Anyhow, it already seems pretty clear that certain individuals with an agenda to a) smear Knox in general, and b) concoct evidence that Knox had prior history of conducting frightening attacks upon people she knew, were all too ready to embellish (and even wholly invent) elements of this "April Fool's Prank" story to suit that agenda. The truth is almost certainly very significantly different.
 
Vixen said:
Gravity is a force. A trajectory will continue it its path unless there is a force that changes it, or accelerates it. Mass is density and can be measured as weight per cubic feet, inertia is the presence of no forces on an object.

Instead of looking in Merriam-Webster, do look in a physics dictionary as these terms have specific meaning which may vary from their common or garden usage.
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The malapropisms and errors in this post continue to be hilarious.

1. A trajectory IS a path.

2. Density IS mass per unit volume.

3. Weight and mass are distinct.

Mass IS a measure of the amount of matter within an object.

Weight IS a measure of the gravitational force on an object in some specified gravitational field environment.

An object of a particular mass has a weight that is dependent on the environment, that is, whether or not a gravitational field is present and the strength of that gravitational field. Thus, a person with a mass of 100 kg will weigh 220.4 lb on or near the surface of the earth, but 83 lb (without space suit) on the surface of Mars, although that person's mass remains 100 kg.

4. Inertia IS
1 a : a property of matter by which it remains at rest or in uniform motion in the same straight line unless acted upon by some external force b : an analogous property of other physical quantities (as electricity)

Source (#4): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inertia

Note that this non-specialized dictionary has a perfectly correct physics definition. Inertia is a property of matter that resists a change in uniform linear motion or from rest; a more detailed discussion of inertia and its relation to mass may be found at:

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-1/Inertia-and-Mass
 
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Vixen said:
Professor Anna Celli Bull of Bath Uni. Expert in Italian politics, law, constitution and culture.
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Her name is Anna Cento Bull, not Celli. Her expertise is Italian history, culture, and politics. She is not an expert of Italian law.

http://www.bath.ac.uk/polis/staff/anna-bull/

Oh, dear. I see someone else has already corrected Vixen on this as I read back. I was going to delete my post but thought I should leave it so Vixen can see it again. Maybe she'll get it this time. But I doubt it. She'll most likely just keep telling us that Bull is an "expert" in Italian law and Constitution.
 
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LondonJohn said:
I seem to remember reading an account of this "prank", in which it consisted of Knox and a few of her friends, while her other housemates (roommates) were out, removing things and arranging the house to make it look like the house had been burgled (burglarised). The housemates came home, while Knox and her friends hid in another room of the house. The housemates expressed shock and surprise at the apparent "burglary", whereupon Knox and her friends emerged from their hiding place and announced that it was all just a prank. One of the housemates was apparently unhappy at having been emotionally manipulated in such a manner, and Knox and her friends apologised to that person.

I'm pretty confident that this account is written down somewhere, and I am also fairly confident that it's from a first-person source. I might try to look for it some time over the next few days, but if anyone else also feels like having a look (or, indeed, if anyone else remembers this account and remembers where it can be found....).

Anyhow, it already seems pretty clear that certain individuals with an agenda to a) smear Knox in general, and b) concoct evidence that Knox had prior history of conducting frightening attacks upon people she knew, were all too ready to embellish (and even wholly invent) elements of this "April Fool's Prank" story to suit that agenda. The truth is almost certainly very significantly different.
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I can find nothing of this prank anywhere other than what I presented. It is not included in any books that I have read nor in any court records. It is typical, though, that it has morphed into a horrifying experience that included a fake "rape", "assault" and now, a boyfriend who cheated on Amanda. :jaw-dropp
 
Stacyhs said:
I can find nothing of this prank anywhere other than what I presented. It is not included in any books that I have read nor in any court records. It is typical, though, that it has morphed into a horrifying experience that included a fake "rape", "assault" and now, a boyfriend who cheated on Amanda. :jaw-dropp
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From an anonymous source with no verification, into the hands of one of the hate sites, it is telling.....

..... that despite being in those hands, local to Seattle, no citation has been discovered over the years.

Just rumours built on anonymous speculation.

From there where did it go? It went all the way to Machiavelli on this very thread speculating that the reason why no information was forthcoming was because the whole of Seattle buckled down into the Mafia code of Omerta - silence to protect a local.

Such has been the problem since the beginning - allegation based on rumour submitted to a court in Italy. If a judge using instinct or hunch decides to back the allegations rumour, it then becomes judicial fact.

And here's the deal - this factoid isn't even one of them!!!!! But Vixen spins MORE factoid, not less.
 
The april fools prank was confirmed by AK herself on her blog a while back. It's sad that I have all this useless trivia surrounding this case in my brain. Damn you PGP :mad:
 
bagels said:
The april fools prank was confirmed by AK herself on her blog a while back. It's sad that I have all this useless trivia surrounding this case in my brain. Damn you PGP :mad:[/QUO

I cannot find it. Do you have a link? I did a search for "prank" and then "April" in all her blogs and nothing about any prank came up.
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Numbers said:
Since you are teaching us physics here, would you kindly show us the relevant standard formulae and work out the problem quantitatively?

I am really concerned about the fate of baseball if the results are not obtained.

And the question I asked was about those who throw balls - outfielders and pitchers, for example. They are not batting when they throw the balls and they are merely facing toward the person or strike zone who is the target. And they are certainly not doing any physics calculations. So how do they manage to get the ball to accurately reach the targeted person or zone?

I'll give you some hints:

For example, if one looks at the "bull pen" at a baseball field during a game, one is likely to see a pitcher and catcher practicing, separated by the regulation distance of 60.6 feet. But one is simply throwing to the other; the pitcher does not throw the ball up, but the catcher squats to catch the ball. And the ball must be thrown fast enough (horizontal velocity of at least about 65 mph) to descend only from the height of about the pitcher's hand raised above or near the level of his head, pass through the strike zone, and land in the catcher's glove.

The same principles apply to a rock thrown from the rampart by a relatively tall person through Filomena's window. If the rock is thrown fast enough, with sufficient horizontal velocity, it will have descended very little and reach its target, the window. The distance the rock must travel is only 3 meters (about 10 feet).
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You need to treat the initial upward (or downward) lift as a quite separate equation.
 
Methos said:
https://web.archive.org/web/2014011...h-respect-to-the-kercher-family/#comment-1116
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LOL. You don't think she would have voluntary confessed to this at the time? Her blog is her downplaying anything incriminating. Thus, we are told, the idea of her being guilty was merely the 'imagination' of us all, and her seeing Patrick at the basketball court and hearing Mez' scream, was all her imagination.


Give me a chance, and I'll find the source which stated someone contacted Perugia police to report the 'prank', which AIUI involved her wearing a sinister ski-mask.
 
Methos said:
https://web.archive.org/web/2014011...h-respect-to-the-kercher-family/#comment-1116
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Here you go:

Rumours of the hazing prank have been around for years, after a former acquaintance of Knox’s let the story slip, just a month after her arrest. On being pressed for details, the informant clammed up, and the incident has subsequently been vociferously denied by members of Knox’s family and her supporters. Meanwhile her defence have made repeated references to Rudy Guede’s past actions as character evidence against him.
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Just one source. http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/amanda-knox-admits-staging-burglary.html
 
Vixen said:
LOL. You don't think she would have voluntary confessed to this at the time? Her blog is her downplaying anything incriminating. Thus, we are told, the idea of her being guilty was merely the 'imagination' of us all, and her seeing Patrick at the basketball court and hearing Mez' scream, was all her imagination.


Give me a chance, and I'll find the source which stated someone contacted Perugia police to report the 'prank', which AIUI involved her wearing a sinister ski-mask.
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Vixen boasts about there being hundreds of pieces of evidence against Amanda and Raffaele. Vixen has lied that someone contacted the Perugia police about the rape prank. What proves Vixen is lying is that there is no record of the prosecution using this as evidence. Why does Vixen have to constantly lie in her posts if the there was such a slam dunk case against Amanda and Raffaele? Vixen constantly attacks Amanda for lying but constantly lies in her posts and the lie about someone contacting the Perugia is one of many lies Vixen has said in her posts. How does Vixen explain this hypocrisy? Anyone who comes on an internet forum and brands someone a pathological liar and then habitually lies in their posts and supports others who have lied have an obligation to explain the double standard.
 
Numbers said:
Interesting.

Do you know the dimensions of the floor tiles? I estimate that each is a square with side length of about 1/3 meter.

For the first trial, I see the hand of the person throwing the rock, and it seems to me that the person may be only about 1 meter from the window. The rock is delivered by an underhand toss. From Marshal Pasquali's testimony, I had believed that the rock was thrown in each case from 3 meters away, to simulate a throw from the rampart. I don't see the hand in the 2nd and 3rd trials, so perhaps they were from 3 meters away. Is there any additional information about the method and distance used for the rock throws? Were there any additional videos in the record for the rock throws?
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No, I don't but I think 1/3 meter is close.

These are links to the paperworks:
Pasquali-Lombardi-Rock-Throw-Report
Pasquali-rock-throwing-simulation-photos

and the trial testimony.
 
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