Are all Trump supporters racists?

Argumemnon said:
What the hell is the point of a skeptics' forum, if our standard of truth is the same as the common woo-woo?
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If you want to discuss it, then discuss it. The evidence is quite strong.

You're basically saying that the allegation is enough. Why? Does this apply to everybody? Or just liberals?
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A credible allegation is enough to form an opinion. It applies to everybody.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Perhaps, but transparency doesn't seem to be a factor when it comes to Trump, who's financial and current dealings are opaque.
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Certainly, Trump is a much greater concern in terms of transparency, so if the choice is between the two of them, the email thing is easy to ignore. But that particular issue nonetheless concerned me -- it was just way overshadowed by Trump's various issues.
 
Argumemnon said:
I don't care what their opinion is. Do we have any reason to believe that the accusations are true?
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Just as much reason as we do to believe the accusations against Trump are true.. ( personal bias aside. )

And why include Lewinsky in there?
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I wasn't really arguing the merits of each case, but since you ask; do you really not see the problem with the POTUS having sex with an intern?

Interesting that you picked the one case where the evidence is pretty much in the bag..


Really? Has Bill Clinton bragged openly about assaulting women?
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That wasn't the argument I was responding to...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11599814&postcount=193
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Just as much reason as we do to believe the accusations against Trump are true.. ( personal bias aside. )
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Except, again, that Trump has bragged about it, which in my book makes it more believable.

I wasn't really arguing the merits of each case, but since you ask; do you really not see the problem with the POTUS having sex with an intern?
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That wasn't what we were discussing. We were discussing assault. Consentual relationships don't count.

Interesting that you picked the one case where the evidence is pretty much in the bag..
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Interesting that you forgot that you were accusing him of RAPE, not cheating on his wife.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Democrats Agree Trump's Accusers Should Be Believed. So, Here's a Full List of Every One of Bill Clinton's

I admit it was was only accusations by the alleged victims, but that's all we have from Trump's accusers of sexual misconduct...

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Well, not quite.

Some of the accusations, if I'm not mistaken, come from years ago. And they are similar to the activities that Trump brags about when trying to impress Billy Bush. And that's something.

Also, if we're simply speaking of Trump's infidelities rather than his alleged assaults, they are beyond reasonable doubt. To be sure, that Clinton had infidelities is also beyond reasonable doubt, so let's agree there.

The question remains: if Bill Clinton's infidelities are relevant to Hillary's campaign, why aren't Trump's equally undeniable infidelities relevant to whether Trump would be a good president? And the trick here is not to pretend that we know Bill was a rapist, because that's not really indisputable. What is indisputable is that both Trump and Bill have a history of marital infidelities. What is pretty clear as well is that Trump has a history of sexual assault as he described it, but we can let that pass.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Just as much reason as we do to believe the accusations against Trump are true.. ( personal bias aside. )
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Mr. Skeptical, please consider the following situation.

P: Dr. A alleges in a tape from 4 years ago that a certain measurement was obtained two years prior. If this were true, then Dr. A would be guilty of a gross ethical violation. The tape was not made public until yesterday.

Q: Dr. B also claimed five years ago that the same measurement was obtained.

X: The measurement actually was obtained.

Question: Is Prob(X | Q & P) > P(X | Q)?

If so, then you must admit that this isn't just about the testimony from Trump's accusers. It's also that Trump said he did similar stuff. This matters.
 
I wasn't arguing the merits of any of the accusations from either side.

I was responding to the claim that all of Hillary's scandals were made up...

Glad you're getting a lot of mileage out of it, though...
 
Aridas said:
That's enough said, really, to grasp the credibility of your position. No Americans claimed that Americans have a right to all the jobs in the first place here, after all.
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They claim they have exclusive rights to the jobs they currently posses. And I say they don't.

Look it doesn't really matter to me if America suffers if it helps other nations get better. Likewise I don't really care if rural Americans go jobless if it helps other people in other nations.
 
Travis said:
They claim they have exclusive rights to the jobs they currently posses. And I say they don't.

Look it doesn't really matter to me if America suffers if it helps other nations get better. Likewise I don't really care if rural Americans go jobless if it helps other people in other nations.
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That is what you had said before, after all.
 
And I wanted to repeat it so there is no ambiguity.

If Trump was a brick through the window to make us pay attention to underemployed rednecks it will work but only inasmuch as it makes me want to destroy them faster.
 
Travis said:
And I wanted to repeat it so there is no ambiguity.

If Trump was a brick through the window to make us pay attention to underemployed rednecks it will work but only inasmuch as it makes me want to destroy them faster.
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What would be your preferred method of destroying them ?
 
Travis said:
And I wanted to repeat it so there is no ambiguity.

If Trump was a brick through the window to make us pay attention to underemployed rednecks it will work but only inasmuch as it makes me want to destroy them faster.
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Previously, you claimed to have been told (more times than you can count) by Trump supporters that you should be placed in a camp, or some such extreme bs. While I'm still highly dubious of that claim, I can more easily envision it having happening seeing that you spout this sort of inflamatory rhetoric.

If nothing else, this election has been a bitter reminder that frothing, mindless extremism isn't the exclusive domain of the right.
 
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