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Emily's Cat said:
Yes, I'm quite certain that the small percentage of people in Washington State who voted 3rd party made a big difference. :rolleyes:
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Good so we can now collectively blame the entirety of the states that voted trump and not just trump voters. You seem to be rather inconsistent on if you can hold people accountable for their actions or you can hold people accountable for the region they live in.
 
trustbutverify said:
Well, that's that's what the slogans say, anyway. I disagree... much of the armed populace are EXACTLY the people who would back a fascist regime, if it let them keep their guns and outlawed abortion. They'd enthusiastically support it.
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But that requires understanding real fascism and not the pretend version that they are against. It requires them to understand that in Russia they would likely be huge Putin supporters, and not overly worried by a few critics of the president getting poisoned now and then.
 
logger said:
Anything to support that? Other than you being stuck on race.


Lol
You're in complete denial.
We have the vast majority of governorships and statehouses.
We have the presidency.
We have the congress.
We have the supreme court.
We will soon have the federal courts.
Four states are controlled by dem governors and Dem legislatures.

In every conceivable measure you're in the wilderness.
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One party states are the best!
 
An article at Slate I think bears reading for people who voted for, or who defend people who voted for, Trump:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_is_no_such_thing_as_a_good_trump_voter.html

In brief: Trump voters voted for a racist demagogue who puts white nationalists in power, who has waged a campaign targeting various minority groups. That Trump voters wanted to "blow up the establishment" or "felt economic insecurity" does not absolve them of their responsibility for what happens next.

They might not consider themselves racists, but they voted for racism.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
If by exploded you mean reduced the deficit to a fraction of what he started with sure.
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Debt and deficit are two very things.

Obama said Bush increasing the national debt by $4 triillion was unpatriotic, then went on to incur about $10 trillion himself*.

That's just a fact.


*assuming the president actually has much control over this, which I'll stipulate is arguable.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
Debt and deficit are two very things.

Obama said Bush increasing the national debt by $4 triillion was unpatriotic, then went on to incur about $10 trillion himself*.

That's just a fact.
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But deficits kind of tie into the whole thing. As debt is just accumulated deficits. So you need to look at deficits for the culprits behind debt.
 
TofuFighter said:
((Apologies if this has been brought up))

You seem to have left out "we should torture them and/or kill their families"
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No, it seems everyone skipped over it in favor of yet another circular argument about arguing.


Whatever. Posting here is like prayer.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Debt and deficit are two very things.

Obama said Bush increasing the national debt by $4 triillion was unpatriotic, then went on to incur about $10 trillion himself*.
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Did Obama really say that? Or did he refer to the deficit Bush created?

That's just a fact.
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You'll forgive me for not relying on your recollection for that, I'm sure.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't see it. Maybe you're right, but in my small sample of the world, I'm not seeing it. You and I live in liberaltopia, pretty much. I'm constantly baffled by the amount of conservative-bashing I hear on a day to day basis, when liberals in WA have such an unquestionably better hand. It not sour grapes, it's sore winners, which baffles me.

I don't hear the same sort of near-constant conservative bashing when I visit family in the south. I hear some, here and there, but mostly I hear "ivory tower liberals don't understand us". Which is pretty true - liberals don't understand conservatives and don't seem to think they should even try.

I dunno. Maybe if I were in a different part of the country, or watched different TV shows, I'd see things differently. It's entirely possible that I have a biased selection. It's completely my impression, not necessarily fact.

But I do see significantly more, and more constant, conservative-bashing on ISF. I see very little liberal-bashing, even from the conservatives here. And there's a surprising number of conservatives on ISF, more than I've experienced on most of the other atheist-based forums I've taken part in.
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I'm sorry, you are blind to it. 2 recent examples was a Michigan police officer taunting a peaceful "Love Trumps Hate" rally in a truck with a large Confederate flag and a Virginia mayor saying Mrs Obama was an "Ape in heels".
 
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