He Hasn't Won The Election Yet

Hercules56 said:
so Trump was a sore loser, in 2012?

he called for revolution, cause it looked like Romney won the Popular vote by Obama won the Electoral College.
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Playing the tu quoque card is irrelevant. You're asking for a change in the electoral college that didnt happen in 2012 and wont happen now. And the repurcussions of changing them over a result he or you disliked have ramifications that hurt your cause if they somehow succeed.

Theres no other way to state this. Its not a republican or democrat issue. Its literally changing the results of an electoral system in REACTION to the results
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
Playing the tu quoque card is irrelevant. You're asking for a change in the electoral college that didnt happen in 2012 and wont happen now. And the repurcussions of changing them over a result he or you disliked have ramifications that hurt your cause
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Electoral College can choose to follow the Popular Vote, if extreme circumstances call for it.

Such as:

1. candidate dies.

2. candidate commits a crime after election.

3. candidate is exposed as committing treason or colluding with out enemies.

4. candidate is exposed as committing a horrible crime in the past.

5. candidate is simply deemed unqualified to be President.
 
Hercules56 said:
Electoral College can choose to follow the Popular Vote, if extreme circumstances call for it.

Such as:

1. candidate dies.

2. candidate commits a crime after election.

3. candidate is exposed as committing treason or colluding with out enemies.

4. candidate is exposed as committing a horrible crime in the past.

5. candidate is simply deemed unqualified to be President.
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I wish you luck then. But not happening. And i sure as hell am not going to be wishful for item #1. I like to keep my humanity thanks
 
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Meadmaker said:
How very brave of you, but I think you can rest assured that it won't happen.

Contemplate what it would take to change things. I think 37 pledged electors (assuming Michigan's go for Trump) would have to be faithless. Since 1900, a grand total of eight have changed their presidential vote.
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Do you think I didn't know that when I made my internet tough guy statement?

Although, I do think a massive electoral college betrayal would be a recipe for disaster. Personally, I find it amusing that people threatening riots over Trump's win somehow don't seem to think there would be any backlash from his supporters if they snatched it away from him.
 
shuize said:
Do you think I didn't know that when I made my internet tough guy statement?

Although, I do think a massive electoral college betrayal would be a recipe for disaster. Personally, I find it amusing that people threatening riots over Trump's win somehow don't seem to think there would be any backlash from his supporters if they snatched it away from him.
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I wasn't absolutely 100% certain, but it was a nice way to sneak in a draft-dodging dig.

And also to post some historical trivia.

But, yeah, that would be very, very, weird. The only way I could see it happen would be in the event a presidential candidate being found obviously guilty of a crime that actually mattered. It is a symptom of something wrong with our society that there are people who take electoral college revolt in this election as a serious possibility.
 
Hercules56 said:
#1. I think Wisconsin is going to flip to Hillary. Which makes it 238 to 280. Its also possible Michigan flips to Hillary, which gives her 254 Electoral votes.

#2. I think enough Republican Electors do NOT want Trump to be President.

#3. Hillary won the Popular Vote, by almost 400,000.

#4. Trump might pick some REAL idiots to have powerful positions in the Cabinet. Ben Carson, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and other idiots.

#5. More **** about Trump may be exposed by the news, or Leftist hackers.

#6. By early December, we may have enough reasons, to convince enough GOP Electors, to choose Hillary.

#7. The Democrats could make some huge offers to the GOP. Hillary could promise not to run for re-election. They could promise to lower corporate tax rates to 20%. They could promise to amend Obamacare.
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I'm not sure what stage of grief it represents, but the longer die-hard Clinton supporters cling to their "maybe, just maybe" false hope, and "what if we made this sort of deal?" bargaining, the more entertaining it is for me.

So, yeah Man, keep the dream alive!
 
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Hercules56 said:
They said the same about Hitler.

I am not willing to WAIT for him to do terrible things, before I stand up and act.
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Germany had barely tasted democracy at the time Hitler assumed power... for one... Two, we've been a republic for quite a long time, and our society continues changing mostly for the good (seen the LGBT trends yet). Three, if he goes Hitler, has to blow out the separation of powers... Four, if he does something serious enough the least of his worries will be partisan political blockades. Take a deep breath, and stop panicking, that's actually the worst thing you can be doing before the guy has even assumed office.

Why?

Because fear... makes people dumb. I'm serious...
 
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grunion said:
Sounds precisely like what Trump was threatening to do had the electoral vote not gone his way.
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But it did, and the nation dodged a bullet. Now you're proposing we climb up to the top of the bell tower and open fire with a high-powered rifle.

What Trump idly proposed, you are attempting to accomplish.
 
Hercules56 said:
They said the same about Hitler.

I am not willing to WAIT for him to do terrible things, before I stand up and act.
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Not only do Trump's enemies not understand Trump, they don't even understand Hitler.

History's most famous and well-documented tyrant, and they know nothing about the details of his rise to power, or the significant ways in which Trump is nothing like him.
 
I know that after the Brexit there was an extremely popular on-line petition to invalidate the vote, since the margin had been to small.
Unlike this Clinton thing, it was a real petition within the UK.gov system that, if given enough votes, had to be presented to parliament.
It was and got slapped down.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36777494
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I know that after the Brexit there was an extremely popular on-line petition to invalidate the vote, since the margin had been to small.
Unlike this Clinton thing, it was a real petition within the UK.gov system that, if given enough votes, had to be presented to parliament.
It was and got slapped down.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36777494
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Ironically, the electors are their own masters, and can cast their votes any way they choose, for whatever reasons they like.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
They played by the existing rules in place and they agreed to it. Trump won according to those rules. If you change it this point you only lend to the narrative of being a sore loser because the results didnt go the way some people wanted. It would give Trump and his base fodder to argue about a rigged system. And moreover. The moment you do that change. You set a precendent that the other side can refer back to as justification for the other side to do their own rigging.

I suggest those who want to change the rules do so for future elections.
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The electoral college is the existing rule. There isn't any rule changes. Every American who goes into that voting booth hopefully read the Constitution once.
 
It's hard to believe that there are people intelligent enough to use a computer who think this is a good idea.

Supporting democracy includes accepting that you will lose some elections.
 
Hercules56 said:
#1. I think Wisconsin is going to flip to Hillary. Which makes it 238 to 280. Its also possible Michigan flips to Hillary, which gives her 254 Electoral votes.

#2. I think enough Republican Electors do NOT want Trump to be President.

#3. Hillary won the Popular Vote, by almost 400,000.

#4. Trump might pick some REAL idiots to have powerful positions in the Cabinet. Ben Carson, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and other idiots.

#5. More **** about Trump may be exposed by the news, or Leftist hackers.

#6. By early December, we may have enough reasons, to convince enough GOP Electors, to choose Hillary.

#7. The Democrats could make some huge offers to the GOP. Hillary could promise not to run for re-election. They could promise to lower corporate tax rates to 20%. They could promise to amend Obamacare.
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If you're truly serious about stopping Trump because he's such a threat to America (which he well may be), then convince all of Hillary's electors to vote for Paul Ryan, and so announce ahead of time. I'll bet you'll get a lot more faithless Trump electors that way.
 
SpitfireIX said:
If you're truly serious about stopping Trump because he's such a threat to America (which he well may be), then convince all of Hillary's electors to vote for Paul Ryan, and so announce ahead of time. I'll bet you'll get a lot more faithless Trump electors that way.
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But. Its. Her. Turn!
 
Giz said:
It's hard to believe that there are people intelligent enough to use a computer who think this is a good idea.

Supporting democracy includes accepting that you will lose some elections.
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It may not be a good idea, but supporting democracy means adhering to the rules. The college is the rules.
 
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