Butter!
Rough Around the Edges
What are you talking about? Seriously? When did I say that or anything like it? Point me to the post.
Split Thread Language and labels - paedophile or child-molester
What are you talking about? Seriously? When did I say that or anything like it? Point me to the post.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
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I don't actually give a fat rat's arse what you do. If you have rape fantasies, that's fine. If you enjoy having them, then that's fine too, what ever rocks your boat... THAT IS YOUR RIGHT!
However, I am allowed to think that the idea of anyone having a rape fantasy is perverted. That is MY opinion, MY morality. I find the idea of rape fantasy disgusting. THAT IS MY RIGHT!
I don't actually give a fat rat's arse what you do. If you have rape fantasies, that's fine. If you enjoy having them, then that's fine too, what ever rocks your boat... THAT IS YOUR RIGHT!
However, I am allowed to think that the idea of anyone having a rape fantasy is perverted. That is MY opinion, MY morality. I find the idea of rape fantasy disgusting. THAT IS MY RIGHT!
Butter!
Rough Around the Edges
You didn't say "that's personally not my bag," though, did you. You insinuated, nay CLAIMED, that such people are fundamentally damaged or wrong. (All empirical evidence points to the contrary.)
There's a big difference between saying "that squicks me out" and "that is objectively WRONG!" One is your business. The other is fighting words, and you should be prepared to back them with something other than high-horse whining.
ETA - And perhaps the most ridiculous aspect of your original claim was that women with rapey fantasies are a "tiny, tiny minority." Whom did you think was going to see that Shades of Grey crap, rocketing it into bestseller status despite the fact that it's written like bad fanfiction? Give ya a hint - the ladies weren't reading it for the Hardy-esque lyrical style.
There's a big difference between saying "that squicks me out" and "that is objectively WRONG!" One is your business. The other is fighting words, and you should be prepared to back them with something other than high-horse whining.
ETA - And perhaps the most ridiculous aspect of your original claim was that women with rapey fantasies are a "tiny, tiny minority." Whom did you think was going to see that Shades of Grey crap, rocketing it into bestseller status despite the fact that it's written like bad fanfiction? Give ya a hint - the ladies weren't reading it for the Hardy-esque lyrical style.
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This reminds me of when school shootings happened in the past and the stories would be in horror because "they played many violent computers games". Which was true.
But then so did 30 million other kids and adults, indeed it would have been more unusuall if they hadn't played "violent" video games.
That bad people do something does not necessarily mean it is a bad thing, you seem to be mistaking a weak correlation for causality.
Do you not know that those sane people who enjoy rape fantasies know that they are fantasies and that no one is actually raped? And those that enjoy sex that enacts "rape fantasies" are consensual so no one is actually ever raped? It is a fantasy, a play acting.
I assume you find people who watch and read fantasies of people being tortured, mutilated and murdered are even more perverted?
Butter!
Rough Around the Edges
I was referring to healthy fantasies about a sexy (adult) pirate ripping my bodice and having his way with me in the galleys, but sure, cullenz. Now you've ascribed the desire to "shag 4 year olds" to me. Beautiful.
The pirate who enjoys acting out my fantasies with me (he's got about 30 years on the 4-year-old of your imagination, but who cares about little details like that when essentially calling strangers pedophiles) is now also laughing at this thread. He had no idea he was such an evil, dangerous man! Now that we know, we're gonna be good!
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luchog
Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist
Do you go into the same pearl-clutching hysterics about slasher and "torture porn" films? After all, they're all about fantasizing about brutalizing and murdering people.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Yes, I know that, but I am still allowed to find it disgusting.
luchog
Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist
If that's all you were doing, no one would care. This is a purely disingenuous response.
Butter!
Rough Around the Edges
I find the "adult baby" fetish thing to be one of the most personally revolting the cultural tides have managed to wash ashore yet, and I wouldn't indulge one bit of it for anyone, no matter how much I liked them. The very idea makes my skin prickle with the horrors.
That statement stops pretty far short of declaring people who DO enjoy the fetish deviant, unnatural, abhorrent, sick, or anything else, on a fundamental level, just 'cause. That's where you get out of line. So stop backpedaling. No one's telling you to like it. A lot of people are majorly turned off by the idea of personally engaging in homosexual sex. That's fine. But we start frowning on those people when they make declarative public statements that homosexuals are sick or broken because they DO have that desire. How is your bigotry different, other than the fact that it targets a (probably) smaller group? Consenting adults means consenting adults. No crime is committed. Objective judgments therefore have no place.
This really isn't brain surgery.
That statement stops pretty far short of declaring people who DO enjoy the fetish deviant, unnatural, abhorrent, sick, or anything else, on a fundamental level, just 'cause. That's where you get out of line. So stop backpedaling. No one's telling you to like it. A lot of people are majorly turned off by the idea of personally engaging in homosexual sex. That's fine. But we start frowning on those people when they make declarative public statements that homosexuals are sick or broken because they DO have that desire. How is your bigotry different, other than the fact that it targets a (probably) smaller group? Consenting adults means consenting adults. No crime is committed. Objective judgments therefore have no place.
This really isn't brain surgery.
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Not relevant.
Butter!
Rough Around the Edges
I can save the time and point EVERYBODY to the post where I essentially said they shouldn't. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11577876&postcount=199
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We were told there is nothing wrong with fantasies of doing illegal sexual acts.I was referring to healthy fantasies about a sexy (adult) pirate ripping my bodice and having his way with me in the galleys, but sure, cullenz. Now you've ascribed the desire to "shag 4 year olds" to me. Beautiful.
The pirate who enjoys acting out my fantasies with me (he's got about 30 years on the 4-year-old of your imagination, but who cares about little details like that when essentially calling strangers pedophiles) is now also laughing at this thread. He had no idea he was such an evil, dangerous man! Now that we know, we're gonna be good!
Mainly fantasies about rape.
So logic would say this includes pedos and 4 year olds.
Unless I missed something?
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
If simply saying what I believe is disingenuous then I'm guilty, along with 99.999% of posters on all forums.
Butter!
Rough Around the Edges
Butter!
Rough Around the Edges
That is not what you were told. In fact, I think you missed basically everything.
I SAID: smartcooky's statement that rape fantasies indulged in by adult women are uncommon or pathological is demonstrably false, and also offensive.
That is what I said. That is all I said.
The only one bringing "shagging four-year-olds" into it is you.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
cullenz. This is what some people do when they can't debate honestly.
They cannot address your point without undermining their own position, so they will drag in other irrelevant topics to try confuse the issue and obfuscate their own failure to address your point.
It wasn't you or I who dragged rape fantasy, torture, murder or peanut butter and the other irrelevant stuff into this thread or your original thread.
The topic of rape fantasies wasn't brought up talking about women having them.
And there have been posters on here saying blokes having them are perfectly fine.
All good.
But you can't pick and chose.
It is quite odd really
luchog
Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist
If you were simply saying what you believe, then I wouldn't have had to point out how disingenuous you were being. You don't get a free pass on attacking imputing motives to others and then dismissing their responses as "not relevant". That's a childish evasion. One that certainly makes your own double standard clear.