Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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Stacko said:
The WSJ also reported that their "investigation" into the Clinton Foundation was based on the conspiracy addled book Clinton Cash and there was infighting to close the baseless file.

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If that is true, my opinion of the FBI as an investigative group has dropped considerably.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
A good shooting war with house to house fighting on CONUS would shake our complacency. We've never had one against an outside enemy, and we've gotten lazy, sloppy, and overly comfortable. It's only a matter of time.
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You've had 2 - War of 1812 and the Mexican-American War (I'll ignore the Aroostock War and the Pig War, because neither produced any casualties, if you ignore the pig). And of those two only the War of 1812 really resulted in lots of US property damage.
 
Border Reiver said:
You've had 2 - War of 1812 and the Mexican-American War (I'll ignore the Aroostock War and the Pig War, because neither produced any casualties, if you ignore the pig). And of those two only the War of 1812 really resulted in lots of US property damage.
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That's what happens when you **** with Canada.
 
Stacko said:
The WSJ also reported that their "investigation" into the Clinton Foundation was based on the conspiracy addled book Clinton Cash and there was infighting to close the baseless file.

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Yeah, I saw that. Insane.

They need to clean house, starting with Comey.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
To read the WSJ follow the link from google:
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...t+Recordings+Fueled+FBI+Feud+in+Clinton+Probe
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I read it. I meant that if the story as reported is true, my respect for the FBI has dropped. Secret recordings of people involved in other cases (I thought I read that they weren't involved with the Clinton Foundation at all, but maybe misread that bit) and the already discredited "Clinton Cash" book as basis for an aggressive investigation? This reeks of partisanship at best, possibly also incompetence when it comes to assessing sources.
 
wareyin said:
I read it. I meant that if the story as reported is true, my respect for the FBI has dropped. Secret recordings of people involved in other cases (I thought I read that they weren't involved with the Clinton Foundation at all, but maybe misread that bit) and the already discredited "Clinton Cash" book as basis for an aggressive investigation? This reeks of partisanship at best, possibly also incompetence when it comes to assessing sources.
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You read correctly. It was a recording of someone not involved in the Clinton Foundation
 
The Don said:
Sadly only if Hillary gets elected - if Trump gets in then it'll commendations all round :mad:
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It's not enough to just elect Clinton. The senate needs to flip or it's still commendations all round because the Democrats will lack investigative authority.
 
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NoahFence said:
Why can't I ever see these images you post?

although to be honest the blank screen is probably more noteworthy than whatever dreck you posted.
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Yeah, you're not missing out. It's a stupid cartoon from a site called "Sputnik News" saying that it's really the US leaking all that wikileaks crap. Gee, Sputnik News, they wouldn't be at all biased, right? Oh, wait: Sputnik (pronounced spʊtnɪk) is an online news and radio broadcast service established by the Russian government-controlled news agency Rossiya Segodnya.
 
Border Reiver said:
You've had 2 - War of 1812 and the Mexican-American War (I'll ignore the Aroostock War and the Pig War, because neither produced any casualties, if you ignore the pig). And of those two only the War of 1812 really resulted in lots of US property damage.
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Neither of those involved extensive house to house MOUT as in our Civil War and subsequent European and Middle East urban operations, and as such effected a very small portion of our population. The low contact with war activities means the nature of war and violence didn't seep into our cultural consciousness. And they were, ya know, couple of years ago.

England, for comparison/contrast, was bombed and seriously feared invasion, not that long ago culturally, while Europe had the living crap stomped out of it. We've never had anything like that and consequently have a different outlook on life.
 
wareyin said:
I read it. I meant that if the story as reported is true, my respect for the FBI has dropped. Secret recordings of people involved in other cases (I thought I read that they weren't involved with the Clinton Foundation at all, but maybe misread that bit) and the already discredited "Clinton Cash" book as basis for an aggressive investigation? This reeks of partisanship at best, possibly also incompetence when it comes to assessing sources.
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Just to clarify, I was just putting the link out there since I hadn't seen it posted :)
 
My favorite claim is that an indictment of candidate click ton who wins the election would lead to a Constitutional crisis.

It would be exceptionally straight forward. It is some of the clearest language.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
The contention is that due to carelessness, classified documents ended up on a non-secure server, and may have propagated out onto non-secure devices, and from there possibly into enemy hands to the detriment of National Security.

A different take on "Fruit of the Poisoous Tree", but I think the concept fits.

The above allegations would surely trump any privacy concerns.
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No, any emails on Weiner's laptop has nothing to do with that. And for the record, it is agreed on that the home email server was a mistake, but not criminal. This does nothing to change those facts.

And sorry, the poisonous tree analogy doesn't work unless you want to suggest that Clinton be held accountable for emails not on her server. I don't think that would ever be reasonable.
 
acbytesla said:
No, any emails on Weiner's laptop has nothing to do with that. And for the record, it is agreed on that the home email server was a mistake, but not criminal. This does nothing to change those facts.

And sorry, the poisonous tree analogy doesn't work unless you want to suggest that Clinton be held accountable for emails not on her server. I don't think that would ever be reasonable.
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1) They stumbled on something on Weiner's laptop that seemed relevant to the investigation of Hillary's server. Enough that a judge granted a warrant to proceed further.

2) If a foreign power go their hands on classified information from Weiner's computer that was there due to Hillary's carelessness, that really would give you no pause at all? The extent of the improper dissemination of classified information was certainly part of the FBI investigation.

Come thought to include this in his original statement:

"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account."

We'll just have to see how things play out.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
1) They stumbled on something on Weiner's laptop that seemed relevant to the investigation of Hillary's server. Enough that a judge granted a warrant to proceed further.

2) If a foreign power go their hands on classified information from Weiner's computer that was there due to Hillary's carelessness, that really would give you no pause at all? The extent of the improper dissemination of classified information was certainly part of the FBI investigation.

We'll just have to see how things play out.
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You're really going to claim that Clinton would be responsible for Weiner/Abedin communications?
 
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