Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

[PhantomWolf]

And if you find out you needed those people to win, then the problem isnt comey broke the rules. The problem is your crappy party.

Ahh, it is the candidate's fault if someone breaks the rules allowing their opposition to paint them as a criminal and in doing so have voters turn away from them because of false information, riiiiiight.

 

[The Don]

The E-Mails were printed because Hillary prefers to read off paper than off the screen. This isn't surprising considering her age, but it would also allow for notes to be made on the emails, and it's easier on the eyes, and they can be read anywhere, rather than being tied to a computer.

I've had a lot of executives claim the same kind of thing. About 10 years ago I once delivered a reporting system for a bank which allowed flexible analysis of data. The CEO insisted that it was summarised into a 150 page report which was distributed daily to the board, printed, and ignored. The only executives who made active use of it to my knowledge (the ones we used to get queries from) accessed it (or had their people access it) interactively.

As to security, the emails that were sent to the Yahoo account should not be classified as they were those sent to her non-classified State Department Account. There was no way for them to get lost either, as once printed they were sent to Hillary via a messenger pouch.

Physical pieces of paper have a way of getting misplaced. Some are even read by eagle-eyed reporters.

Either way IMO they are less secure than something that stays on a secure electronic medium.

Of course it could have been avoided just by having the Government Computers easier to print from.

Or not print the frigging things out and learning to join the 21st century

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Opinions expressed here may not be my own.

Then it seems to me that one should ask the same question of Comey. Putting aside the question of why he issued his highly irregular notification that the FBI was about to embark on a fishing expedition with no real evidence of any actual crime, one would have to regard his actions as extremely careless (because the notification cannot have failed to have some result on polling) and potentially in violation of statute, namely the Hatch Act. Was his negligence simple or gross, or did he deliberately try to influence the election result?

Although Comey has been extremely careless in his handling of very sensitive information, and potentially in violation of the Hatch Act, my judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. All such cases that have been prosecuted successfully involved clearly intentional and willful violation of law or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I didn't discuss a scandal.

I'll take the refusal to answer the question and instead deflect and derail to mean you're admitting defeat.

 

[uke2se]

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Opinions expressed here may not be my own.


Although Comey has been extremely careless in his handling of very sensitive information, and potentially in violation of the Hatch Act, my judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. All such cases that have been prosecuted successfully involved clearly intentional and willful violation of law or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

I realise you're doing a thing, but to me the intent is obvious.

 

[Tony Stark]

Seems obvious.

Abedin could have had access to it because it was on Hillary's server.

Unless Abedin had a similar clearance, and it was her mishandling that put them on Wiener's laptop. Otherwise the mishandling started with Hillary's actions.

That's why I said I thought something would be found that would lead to an indictment of either Hillary to Abedin.

Of course she had a top secret clearance. And she was the one who is responsible for them ending up on Weiner's computer.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I'll take the refusal to answer the question and instead deflect and derail to mean you're admitting defeat.

I will take the fact that you completely misrepresented my point, and ignored it when I pointed out your huge flaw as you admitting defeat.

If there is a scandal, voters should absolutely weigh that in their decision making. That is completely unrelated to what I posted.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Although Comey has been extremely careless in his handling of very sensitive information, and potentially in violation of the Hatch Act, my judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. All such cases that have been prosecuted successfully involved clearly intentional and willful violation of law or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

I see what you did there!

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Of course she had a top secret clearance. And she was the one who who is responsible for them ending up on Weiner's computer.

Then maybe Hillary is blameless and Abedin will take the fall.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Ahh, it is the candidate's fault if someone breaks the rules allowing their opposition to paint them as a criminal and in doing so have voters turn away from them because of false information, riiiiiight.

I'm saying it is not breaking the rules. Rules on speech limits don't normally apply if they prevent speaking because of irrational actors or hecklers.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I'm still uncertain who the computer belonged to. If it was Huma's old computer and he was using it to surf porn when she was at work, that's different than it it was his computer and the emails ended up on it.

FBI gives no craps owned the computer when they seized it, they just grabbed all possible evidence piles; but it will be significant as this goes forward.

 

[Dave Rogers]

It appears that tendrils reached from Hillary's private email into Weiner's laptop. It will turn out to be either a treasure trove or a dead end.

Running with your metaphor, is it then a good idea to say "We're looking for treasure, and we're looking in this specific location," when in fact it isn't known whether there's anything to be found? It strongly suggests that there is treasure to be found, but without saying anything about the nature of that treasure. It encourages speculation on the nature of the treasure being looked for, and in the present political climate we know, and Comey must have known, exactly the nature of that speculation. So, as I said before, he was at best careless, and may have violated statue; precisely what Clinton is accused of.

Dave

 

[PhantomWolf]

I've had a lot of executives claim the same kind of thing. About 10 years ago I once delivered a reporting system for a bank which allowed flexible analysis of data. The CEO insisted that it was summarised into a 150 page report which was distributed daily to the board, printed, and ignored. The only executives who made active use of it to my knowledge (the ones we used to get queries from) accessed it (or had their people access it) interactively.

We're not talking about people you worked with, we're talking about one particular person in her late 60's a similar age to my mother, who likewise asks me to print all the emails I get sent from my sister for her because it's easier for her to read them on paper. Trying to read them on a phone screen is even harder for older people.

Physical pieces of paper have a way of getting misplaced. Some are even read by eagle-eyed reporters.

Either way IMO they are less secure than something that stays on a secure electronic medium.

Physical pieces of paper secured in an office are harder to hack than digitally held copies.

Or not print the frigging things out and learning to join the 21st century

Yes we get you, you don't like printing things. Other people do. You know what? I prefer an actual paper book when I am reading, I detest trying to read books on an e-reader, but hey, that is just me. I don't judge everyone else by my tastes, apparently you do.

 

[Bogative]

Of course, Abedin did tell the FBI that she forwarded things to her email to print way back in April, and they didn't seem to care then. Suddenly, however, right before the election, it appears pertinent. Funny, that.

It's the FBI's fault that Huma didn't disclose to them that she had another device with emails on it at an earlier date?

 

[Stacko]

I realise you're doing a thing, but to me the intent is obvious.

Until it's clarified when Chaffetz was informed, the intent is murky. He might not have been acting as a partisan hack and just doing this out of self interest. The FBI has a long history of directors putting preserving their own reputation ahead of all other tasks. This wouldn't be the first time a director attempted to protect their own reputation at the expense of the agency.

 

[uke2se]

Then maybe Hillary is blameless and Abedin will take the fall.

Thing is, there's nothing to blame either one of them for. There might well never be. Try to remember that.

 

[uke2se]

Until it's clarified when Chaffetz was informed, the intent is murky. He might not have been acting as a partisan hack and just doing this out of self interest. The FBI has a long history of directors putting preserving their own reputation ahead of all other tasks. This wouldn't be the first time a director attempted to protect their own reputation at the expense of the agency.

He didn't protect his reputation, and if he thinks he did, he's an idiot and should be fired for that.

 

[Stacko]

He didn't protect his reputation, and if he thinks he did, he's an idiot and should be fired for that.

He improved his standing with Republicans so now only half the house is displeased with him. That's better than where he was before he sent the memo.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I'm still uncertain who the computer belonged to.

It's been alleged it was used jointly by Abedin and Weiner.

I can see problems if classified material ended up on it and Weiner had no clearance.

 

[uke2se]

He improved his standing with Republicans so now only half the house is displeased with him. That's better than where he was before he sent the memo.

I disagree. Democrats who respected him as nonpartsan before have now lost that respect.