Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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The Don said:
How stupid are people ? (don't answer, the question is rhetorical) :mad:

Firstly printing anything out is a security risk, that paper can end up anywhere - and it's a stupid waste of resources IMO

Secondly, forwarding anything from a government/business account to a private account is a clear breach of any normal security guidelines. Under certain circumstances I guess it could be justified as a one-off but to routinely act in this way is such a dunderheaded move.

In the course of my work I have access to client company confidential information. Not only do I not print off paper copies, I don't have any client related documentation or emails on my laptop - everything is on their servers which I access with remote sessions. I'm not savvy securitywise and even I know better than to forward work emails to private devices.
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Of course, Abedin did tell the FBI that she forwarded things to her email to print way back in April, and they didn't seem to care then. Suddenly, however, right before the election, it appears pertinent. Funny, that.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Running with the metaphor...

If one is going on a fishing expedition, is it not reasonable to go where there's a good chance of finding fish?

If the original investigation was to find out what, if any, classified documents were on Hillary's private email server, and if they might have been hacked, it's not unreasonable to track down how far those documents may have propagated. And if discovered on other unsecured computers, whether those unsecured computers may have been compromised by enemies, foreign or domestic.

It appears that tendrils reached from Hillary's private email into Weiner's laptop. It will turn out to be either a treasure trove or a dead end.

Let's find out!
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Can you explain how Abedin forwarding a possibly classified email to her personal account to print will show that Clinton violated the law or mishandled classified information?
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Running with the metaphor...

If one is going on a fishing expedition, is it not reasonable to go where there's a good chance of finding fish?

If the original investigation was to find out what, if any, classified documents were on Hillary's private email server, and if they might have been hacked, it's not unreasonable to track down how far those documents may have propagated. And if discovered on other unsecured computers, whether those unsecured computers may have been compromised by enemies, foreign or domestic.

It appears that tendrils reached from Hillary's private email into Weiner's laptop. It will turn out to be either a treasure trove or a dead end.

Let's find out!
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OK, they can find out.

Comey still had no business making the highly unusual decision of announcing it before even going on the expedition. Certainly not right before the election.

**** him. He really needs to lose his job. Even if his motive was to prevent Republicans from getting mad at him and not influencing the election.
 
Tony Stark said:
OK, they can find out.

Comey still had no business making the highly unusual decision of announcing it before even going on the expedition. Certainly not right before the election.

**** him. He really needs to lose his job. Even if his motive was to prevent Republicans from getting mad at him and not influencing the election.
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I still don't see how you can be offended by this. Neither he nor Republicans said anything new. His comment was content free. If your side is that vulnerable to supporters getting irrationally sad, it was probably the wrong side in the first place.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
I still don't see how you can be offended by this. Neither he nor Republicans said anything new. His comment was content free. If your side is that vulnerable to supporters getting irrationally sad, it was probably the wrong side in the first place.
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Why do you continue to ignore the effect this has had on the polls and prediction markets?
 
wareyin said:
Can you explain how Abedin forwarding a possibly classified email to her personal account to print will show that Clinton violated the law or mishandled classified information?
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Hillary made a point there was no evidence that her email server had been hacked, so her "extreme carelessness" or negligence had not been shown to have had any negative effect of National Security. Comey's statement echoed that.

If it turns out that classified documents ended up on Weiner's computer, and that computer showed signs of being hacked, that would surely change some minds as to the seriousness of Hillary's carelessness.

Would it not?
 
BobTheCoward said:
I still don't see how you can be offended by this. Neither he nor Republicans said anything new. His comment was content free. If your side is that vulnerable to supporters getting irrationally side, it was probably the wrong side in the first place.
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Because he had no good reason to tell Congress and he definitely knew that Republicans would go tell everyone right away to try to sway the election and it would be all over the news.

Most Hillary voters are not going to be swayed by this but all it would take is a small percentage of them. And/or more Trump supporters showing up.

Also he is a hypocritical scumbag. He thinks that he shouldn't say anything about Russia because of the election but feels the need to announce this.?

**** him.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
I still don't see how you can be offended by this. Neither he nor Republicans said anything new. His comment was content free. If your side is that vulnerable to supporters getting irrationally sad, it was probably the wrong side in the first place.
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Hang on.... So if you have two sides, one which the supporters of would stay regardless of scandals, even if the candidate was showing committing a murder, and the other where supporters would drop their candidate over a scandal, then those that would drop their candidate over an alleged illegal scandal are on the wrong side, while those that would support their candidate regardless of illegal actions are on the right one?
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Hillary made a point there was no evidence that her email server had been hacked, so her "extreme carelessness" or negligence had not been shown to have had any negative effect of National Security. Comey's statement echoed that.

If it turns out that classified documents ended up on Weiner's computer, and that computer showed signs of being hacked, that would surely change some minds as to the seriousness of Hillary's carelessness.

Would it not?
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No, it would not. Not if Clinton was not involved in sending them.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Hillary made a point there was no evidence that her email server had been hacked, so her "extreme carelessness" or negligence had not been shown to have had any negative effect of National Security. Comey's statement echoed that.

If it turns out that classified documents ended up on Weiner's computer, and that computer showed signs of being hacked, that would surely change some minds as to the seriousness of Hillary's carelessness.

Would it not?
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Not any reasonable person's minds. Because Hillary isn't responsible for the emails being on Weiner's computer, Huma is. Even if Hillary used a state.gov account, the emails would still be on the computer.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Hang on.... So if you have two sides, one which the supporters of would stay regardless of scandals, even if the candidate was showing committing a murder, and the other where supporters would drop their candidate over a scandal, then those that would drop their candidate over an alleged illegal scandal are on the wrong side, while those that would support their candidate regardless of illegal actions are on the right one?
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Your analysis is wrong. There is no new scandal here.
 
wareyin said:
Why do you continue to ignore the effect this has had on the polls and prediction markets?
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Because we generally do not let irrational actors silence adults through the law. We don't hold the Beatles responsible for Charles Manson for using helter skelter.

And if you find out you needed those people to win, then the problem isnt comey broke the rules. The problem is your crappy party.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Hillary made a point there was no evidence that her email server had been hacked, so her "extreme carelessness" or negligence had not been shown to have had any negative effect of National Security. Comey's statement echoed that.

If it turns out that classified documents ended up on Weiner's computer, and that computer showed signs of being hacked, that would surely change some minds as to the seriousness of Hillary's carelessness.

Would it not?
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Since it seems that these emails are from Abedin's Yahoo account and those are what she forwarded from her non-classified State Department account for printing, why would there be classified e-mails, and if there were, then how would it be Hillary's fault?
 
wareyin said:
Can you explain how Abedin forwarding a possibly classified email to her personal account to print will show that Clinton violated the law or mishandled classified information?
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Seems obvious.

Abedin could have had access to them because they were on Hillary's server.

Unless Abedin had a similar clearance, and it was her mishandling that put them on Wiener's laptop. Otherwise the mishandling started with Hillary's actions.

That's why I said I thought something would be found that would lead to an indictment of either Hillary to Abedin.

Assuming Hillary wins and Abedin gets charged, I'd expect a pardon somewhere down the line if Abedin got convicted.
 
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