Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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dudalb said:
Proving that Corney released the report for political purposes would be fairly hard to prove unless you had a smoking gun. It is the kind of case that a DA,although he personally thinks the guy is guilty as hell, declines to prosecute because of lack of evidence that would stand up in court.
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I suppose it is slightly possible that even after being warned not to, he wrongly believed that he had some sort of obligation to tell Congress about the emails the day after he found out about them and before the FBI even begun to review them. Despite surely knowing that Republicans would immediately tell the world and try to use it to their advantage. That would also make him unfit to be the Director of the FBI.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
And yet someone with a lot more knowledge of the issue than you has filed a Hatch Act complaint because of the letter to Congress this close to the election.
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Which we all agree here that comey will never be punished under the act. So it is a meaningless gesture.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Then signature bet? I get to dictate your signature until comey is formally punished by the merit systems protection board, then you have my signature for the heat death of the universe.
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I would be astonished if Comey is protected by the merit system. Where I live a police chief would not be, but that's the local level. Top execs often serve "at the pleasure of" whoever approved their original hiring.

Comey should resign on his own. Unless my wacky conspiracy theory is true.
 
Tony Stark said:
It could influence the outcome of the election and so he shouldn't have done it. Unless he had a very good reason, which he did not.
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Generally, rules require a reasonable person standard. A room full of reasonable people here and not a single one influenced by this. Further, people have been falling over eachother to point out that nothing in the letter is an accusation of wrong doing.

The announcement was a 100% neutral statement. T doesn't imply anything about Clinton.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Analogy fail. It's hard to steal a candy bar and not know you were stealing.
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Not really. You put the candy bar in your cart, then, without realizing it, cover up the candy bar with a jacket or purse, forget it was there, and walk out with it in your cart but without having paid for it. You have now stolen a candy bar without knowing you did, or intending to do so. Kinda like how Comey can affect the election without intending to, although my suspicion is that he knew this would negatively affect Clinton in voters eyes.
 
It all would have come out eventually, because there are numerous FOIA suits pending and they would have had to disclose the existence of the newly discovered emails and the re-assertion of the Law Enforcement exception provision.
 
The Big Dog said:
Curious, I guess Hillary fans are so inured to Hillary Corruption that the sleazy details of the fact that Brazille leaked debate questions to her campaign, and lied about it raises barely an eyelash.

Man those rats are so incredibly unethical it is appalling.
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Meanwhile, Trump lies 71% of the time.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Can you see how sitting on the fact that there was new evidence in the case could also have been seen as influencing the election?
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Innuendo is not evidence. There may or may not be new evidence. Comey and the FBI have not determined that at this time and will not have determined it before the election.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Can you see how sitting on the fact that there was new evidence in the case could also have been seen as influencing the election?
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Yes that would be bad except that's not the situation. Sitting on a vague speculation that there might, maybe, be new evidence when you haven't even gotten a search warrant and were specifically advised not to tell Congress, is a very different thing.
 
FBI's Comey opposed naming Russians, citing election timing: Source

FBI Director James Comey argued privately that it was too close to Election Day for the United States government to name Russia as meddling in the U.S. election and ultimately ensured that the FBI's name was not on the document that the U.S. government put out, a former FBI official tells CNBC.

The official said some government insiders are perplexed as to why Comey would have election timing concerns with the Russian disclosure but not with the Huma Abedin email discovery disclosure he made Friday.

In the end, the Department of Homeland Security and The Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued the statement on Oct. 7, saying "The U.S. intelligence community is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations…These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process."
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Funny, that.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Stipulated.

How about...

"Can you see how sitting on the fact that there was potentially new evidence in the case could also have been seen as influencing the election?"
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No. It's rumor mongering and has no place in the duties of the Director of the FBI.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Generally, rules require a reasonable person standard. A room full of reasonable people here and not a single one influenced by this. Further, people have been falling over eachother to point out that nothing in the letter is an accusation of wrong doing.

The announcement was a 100% neutral statement. T doesn't imply anything about Clinton.
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Comey's advanced leak to Chaffetz who spun a Tweet before the letter reached anyone else was not neutral.

Senior Congressional Aide Says Chaffetz Tweeted Comey Letter Before Democrats Even Saw It
Now, Shareblue reports that Comey may have provided early access to his innuendo-filled letter to Republican Congressman Jason Chaffetz, enabling him to tweet about it and frame the media narrative before Democratic members of Congress even received copies of the letter.

Here is the statement by a senior Democratic congressional aide (emphasis in original):

Democratic Ranking Members on the relevant committees didn’t receive Comey’s letter until after the Republican Chairmen. In fact, the Democratic Ranking Members didn’t receive it until after the the Chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Jason Chaffetz, tweeted it out and made it public.

If true, this implies that FBI Director Comey may have deliberately helped Republicans by giving them a heads-up about his bombshell letter while depriving Democrats in Congress of an equal opportunity to consider its contents and prepare their reaction to it in the media.

This may constitute evidence of intent to influence the presidential election, which would be a violation of the Hatch Act. If Comey had acted evenhandedly, he would have sent the letter to both Republican and Democratic members of Congress at the same time.

James Comey’s reckless and possibly illegal actions as FBI Director in this case need to be investigated. He is the story now — not Hillary Clinton’s emails.
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Here is the Tweet: FBI Dir just informed me, "The FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation." Case reopened
9:57 am, Oct 28.

And in a related story: Journalists Criticize Outlets Who Ignored FBI Letter And Ran With Republican Congressman’s Spin
After some media outlets ran with a misleading story that the FBI planned to examine new evidence associated with Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s email server, numerous reporters and media figures criticized the initial coverage for using Rep. Jason Chaffetz’s (R-UT) spin rather than the actual letter from FBI Director James Comey, which said only that new emails “pertinent” to the investigation had been discovered and will be assessed.
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Chaffetz claimed the case was being reopened. Comey's letter merely said there might be more emails that need to be looked at, the FBI doesn't know if they are pertinent to the case or not.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Generally, rules require a reasonable person standard. A room full of reasonable people here and not a single one influenced by this. Further, people have been falling over eachother to point out that nothing in the letter is an accusation of wrong doing.

The announcement was a 100% neutral statement. T doesn't imply anything about Clinton.
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The rules don't say that if it could influence a reasonable person's vote in the election. Rather that it could influence the election.

He didn't have any good reason to send Congress that letter. And he definitely knew that Republicans would use immediately tell the world and that it would be all over the news. Unless he has brain damage or something.

And if he didn't have election timing concerns about this, why did he have them about saying that the Russians were attempting to influence the election?
 
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