Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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wareyin said:
Not really. You put the candy bar in your cart, then, without realizing it, cover up the candy bar with a jacket or purse, forget it was there, and walk out with it in your cart but without having paid for it. You have now stolen a candy bar without knowing you did, or intending to do so. Kinda like how Comey can affect the election without intending to, although my suspicion is that he knew this would negatively affect Clinton in voters eyes.
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I don't think that qualifies as stealing.
 
Tony Stark said:
The rules don't say that if it could influence a reasonable person's vote in the election. Rather that it could influence the election.

He didn't have any good reason to send Congress that letter. And he definitely knew that Republicans would use immediately tell the world and that it would be all over the news. Unless he has brain damage or something.

And if he didn't have election timing concerns about this, why did he have them about saying that the Russians were attempting to influence the election?
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And who is influenced by.this? There isn't s single person here we can point to.

Plus, everything about it is neutral. It is the equivalent of saying what color of pants suit she is wearing.
 
Stacko said:
No. It's rumor mongering and has no place in the duties of the Director of the FBI.
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Agree to disagree.

It's hardly a rumor that the FBI now has its hands on thousands of emails that may very well be to, from or about either Hillary or her top aide, that may be relevant to an ongoing investigation of Hillary's email server.

Which I think is what Comey said in his letter.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Can you see how sitting on the fact that there was new evidence in the case could also have been seen as influencing the election?
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No, again, not if you call a particular Pubbie first. Not to mention, Comey was not yet aware if there was new evidence. He only knew there was a new place to look.

I suppose if Comey admitted he couldn't control leaks from his department (ironic given how he railed on Clinton for how she did her job) and he wanted to clear things up before it was leaked that a new warrant was issued, and had he not called Chaffetz first, I could agree he didn't act in a Partisan way.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Comey's advanced leak to Chaffetz who spun a Tweet before the letter reached anyone else was not neutral.

Senior Congressional Aide Says Chaffetz Tweeted Comey Letter Before Democrats Even Saw It

Here is the Tweet: FBI Dir just informed me, "The FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation." Case reopened
9:57 am, Oct 28.

And in a related story: Journalists Criticize Outlets Who Ignored FBI Letter And Ran With Republican Congressman’s Spin

Chaffetz claimed the case was being reopened. Comey's letter merely said there might be more emails that need to be looked at, the FBI doesn't know if they are pertinent to the case or not.
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media Matters?

Lolz, I can't believe people cite that worthless propaganda.

You might as well cite Correct the record directly.

Hilarious.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Comey's advanced leak to Chaffetz who spun a Tweet before the letter reached anyone else was not neutral.

Senior Congressional Aide Says Chaffetz Tweeted Comey Letter Before Democrats Even Saw It

Here is the Tweet: FBI Dir just informed me, "The FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation." Case reopened
9:57 am, Oct 28.

And in a related story: Journalists Criticize Outlets Who Ignored FBI Letter And Ran With Republican Congressman’s Spin

Chaffetz claimed the case was being reopened. Comey's letter merely said there might be more emails that need to be looked at, the FBI doesn't know if they are pertinent to the case or not.
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If it's true he gave it Chaffetz first, he's toast and they better bring the full weight of the Hatch act down on him.
 
snoop_doxie said:
I don't really know much about the Hatch act, can you explain why Comey
would be toast if he gave the news to Chaffetz first?
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It's a clear political act to interfere with the election. Chaffetz is Clinton's chief tormentor in the house pursuing nearly every conspiracy theory regarding her that crosses his desk. You know what was going to happen giving him this especially first.
 
Tony Stark said:
By idiots maybe.
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Maybe.

I'm currently watching a Congressman speak on the matter.

He's saying that Comey told congress when he declined to prosecute, that he would keep them apprised of any future developments.

Had he neglected to do so, that could sure be seen as a dereliction of duty at the least.

But maybe just by idiots - which we know in your view is about 1/2 of the U.S. population. Making for pretty good odds!
 
BobTheCoward said:
And who is influenced by.this? There isn't s single person here we can point to.

Plus, everything about it is neutral. It is the equivalent of saying what color of pants suit she is wearing.
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Mainly because the people who post on this forum are generally people whose minds are made up one way or the other. There are voters who will see a headline Clinton being investigated and assume she did something wrong without going beyond the headline.
 
BobTheCoward said:
And who is influenced by.this? There isn't s single person here we can point to.

Plus, everything about it is neutral. It is the equivalent of saying what color of pants suit she is wearing.
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It is not necessary to prove that it does influence the election, just that it could.

He had no good reason to send the letter at all and he definitely knew the Republicans would use it to attempt to influence the election and that it would be all over the news.

If Comey didn't have election timing problems with this, why did he have one regarding Russia?
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Maybe.

I'm currently watching a Congressman speak on the matter.

He's saying that Comey told congress when he declined to prosecute, that he would keep them apprised of any future developments.

Had he neglected to do so, that could sure be seen as a dereliction of duty at the least.

But maybe just by idiots - which we know in your view is about 1/2 of the U.S. population. Making for pretty good odds!
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If there was new evidence and Comey failed to inform congress, he would be in dereliction of his duties. Sending a letter that says effectively, "I dunno, maybe?" serves no functional purpose for the case. Once the FBI confirmed if there was new evidence or not, he would then have cause to act or not.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Can you see how sitting on the fact that there was new evidence in the case could also have been seen as influencing the election?
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Trump got both a fraud and a rape trial hearings delayed until after the election so that they wouldn't influence the outcome.

It seems that if the public could survive not knowing the info from those trials, they would be fine not knowing about the existence of emails. Specially since the emails were falsely termed by Comey as "relevant" which he had no way to know at the time.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Maybe.

I'm currently watching a Congressman speak on the matter.

He's saying that Comey told congress when he declined to prosecute, that he would keep them apprised of any future developments.

Had he neglected to do so, that could sure be seen as a dereliction of duty at the least.

But maybe just by idiots - which we know in your view is about 1/2 of the U.S. population. Making for pretty good odds!
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Yes, just to idiots. He had no obligation to tell Congress about the emails before even reviewing them. Especially right before an election. He doesn't work for them and it shouldn't be his concern to make sure they don't get mad at him.
 
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Stacko said:
If it's true he gave it Chaffetz first, he's toast and they better bring the full weight of the Hatch act down on him.
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The democratic congress people maybe saw it later because they use slow email servers routed through a bathroom.
 
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