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Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

NoahFence said:
Ignorant, though - not so much.

He is even WORSE than Trump in that arena. What is it with 2016 and our love of total morons?
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In Trump's case it is because he is racist. In Johnson's case it is because the supposedly smarter candidate advocates a worst policy on nearly every subject.
 
BobTheCoward said:
In Trump's case it is because he is racist. In Johnson's case it is because the supposedly smarter candidate advocates a worst policy on nearly every subject.
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Gary Johnson has, for example, a far worse tax policy than even Donald Trump.

He wants to eliminate federal income taxes and replace them with a national sales tax. He claims this will be revenue neutral. How? His plan would give the rich a huge tax break and the poor would be largely protected from the regressive nature of the tax by a prebate. The only way the numbers add up is if the middle class gets a big tax hike.

So basically Gary Johnson wants to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for tax cuts on the rich.
 
Tony Stark said:
Gary Johnson has, for example, a far worse tax policy than even Donald Trump.

He wants to eliminate federal income taxes and replace them with a national sales tax. He claims this will be revenue neutral. How? His plan would give the rich a huge tax break and the poor would be largely protected from the regressive nature of the tax by a prebate. The only way the numbers add up is if the middle class gets a big tax hike.

So basically Gary Johnson wants to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for tax cuts on the rich.
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You mean the system that is an improvement of the current scheme? I am all for it.
 
Tony Stark said:
Raising taxes on the middle class to pay for tax cuts for the rich is an improvement?
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Shifting from an income based method to a sales tax method is an improvement. The fact that people may consume as a greater percentage of their income doesn't matter to me.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Shifting from an income based method to a sales tax method is an improvement. The fact that people may consume as a greater percentage of their income doesn't matter to me.
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You don't care if people would be unable to pay their bills as a result? Or alternately be forced to cut down on consumption?

So basically your idea of good policy is one that agrees with you ideologically. No matter the real world consequences.
 
Tony Stark said:
You don't care if people would be unable to pay their bills as a result? Or alternately be forced to cut down on consumption?

So basically your idea of good policy is one that agrees with you ideologically. No matter the real world consequences.
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Correct. Dude, I'm the same person who advocates the end of incorporation.

None of us are strict consequentialists (maybe some are). I'm just more so than others.
 
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acbytesla said:
If I undersand correctly, Comey didn't make the letter public, the Republican controlled Congress did. As the head of the FBI, Comey can just claim that he's just keeping them informed.
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I'll drop this eventually, but what is really wrong with Comey claiming he's keeping them informed? I still say (as I did elsewhere) that this is a reasonable (or at least rational) ass-covering reaction.

acbytesla said:
It's all just political.
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Then why not pillory Hillary when he had the chance, months ago?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Shifting from an income based method to a sales tax method is an improvement. The fact that people may consume as a greater percentage of their income doesn't matter to me.
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Tony Stark said:
You don't care if people would be unable to pay their bills as a result? Or alternately be forced to cut down on consumption?
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Making food sales-tax exempt is one way to mitigate this. It maybe ought to apply to other necessities, such as toilet paper, soap and toothpaste.
 
Minoosh said:
I'll drop this eventually, but what is really wrong with Comey claiming he's keeping them informed? I still say (as I did elsewhere) that this is a reasonable (or at least rational) ass-covering reaction.

Then why not pillory Hillary when he had the chance, months ago?
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I'm not going to attack Comey because by all accounts he's an honorable person who seems to have handled things above board. While I think this won't have no effect, it will be negligible. By Monday, if nothing further from the FBI on this, it will have been killed by the ever turning news cycle. Sooner if Trump says something stupid.
 
Minoosh said:
Making food sales-tax exempt is one way to mitigate this. It maybe ought to apply to other necessities, such as toilet paper, soap and toothpaste.
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Then the rate would have to be higher on other things in order to make up for the lost revenue.
 
Good afternoon SezMe
SezMe said:
Oh, c'mon, that's impossible. Nobody is pure as the driven snow. And even if such a hypothetical person existed, the opponents would just make something up.

That's just more evidence that libertarians live in a fantasy world.
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Ralph Nader was as squeaky clean as you could get. They tried to make up things on him and tried to get him to take the bait. Didn't happen. Still, didn't make him the best choice. Just not corrupt.
 
Minoosh said:
I'll drop this eventually, but what is really wrong with Comey claiming he's keeping them informed? I still say (as I did elsewhere) that this is a reasonable (or at least rational) ass-covering reaction.
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1. Because he's not keeping them informed. No, he is throwing a turd into a Presidential election.
2. He is not covering his ass. He's not in danger of Congress impeaching him whether he informs them or not.
3. Congress would not be taking any action with this info, so why tell them? There is no requirement.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Shifting from an income based method to a sales tax method is an improvement. The fact that people may consume as a greater percentage of their income doesn't matter to me.
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No, it's not. It is regressive as all hell. It's giving billionaires monster tax cuts and putting an onerous tax on the middle class.
 
Tony Stark said:
Then the rate would have to be higher on other things in order to make up for the lost revenue.
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It already is, due to the existing food exemption. This would be a minor adjustment to make the system a little less regressive.

Tax alcohol more. I can get 6 ounces of vodka for $2. There might be some price-to-consumer elasticity there. Nothing else offers anywhere near the same buzz for the buck.
 
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