Hillary Clinton is Done: part 3

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The news report I saw tonight on the PBS News Hour went into some detail about this.

Based on this, first, I don't believe the FBI formally notified Hillary Clinton they were reopening the investigation of her use of a personal email server. I'm not sure the FBI (or any law enforcement agency) is under any legal obligation to notify the target of an investigation about their investigation being reopened. Hillary Clinton was campaigning in Iowa today and the news media seemed to know about the new emails and the reopened FBI investigation before she did.

Second. the FBI told a Wall Street Journal reporter (he was interviewed on the News Hour) that while investigating former congressman Weiner allegedly sexting an under age girl, they seized or were given access to a laptop belonging to his ex-wife, Huma Abedin, a Clinton staffer who worked at the State Department as Hillary Clinton's deputy chief of staff. They discovered there were "several thousand work-related" emails to and from Hillary Clinton while she was Secretary of State. The FBI is now going through these emails to see if there are any containing mishandled classified material.

Third, the FBI has apparently had the laptop for a while but just recently realized it contained emails between Abedin and then Secretary Clinton.

Fourth, questions have been raised as to the timing of the FBI announcement. The Wall Street Journal reporter was told, possibly off-the-record, that the Bureau did consider holding back the information until after the election. But decided if they were to be criticized it would better to be criticized for announcing the reopened investigation before the election than wait until after the election and be accused of holding back the information to try and protect Clinton.

Finally, journalists and others who have extensively interviewed voters of both parties seemed to agree, the effect of the disclosure on Clinton's campaign will be negligible, that voters have pretty much made up their minds by this point.
 
Will everyone stop saying the investigation was reopened. That is a lie that Jason Chaffetz is spreading. An investigation that wasn't closed cannot be reopened. We don't even know if these are new emails or copies of ones sent by Hillary stored on an account on a device had email account already reviewed.
 
newyorkguy said:
The news report I saw tonight on the PBS News Hour went into some detail about this.

Based on this, first, I don't believe the FBI formally notified Hillary Clinton they were reopening the investigation of her use of a personal email server. I'm not sure the FBI (or any law enforcement agency) is under any legal obligation to notify the target of an investigation about their investigation being reopened. Hillary Clinton was campaigning in Iowa today and the news media seemed to know about the new emails and the reopened FBI investigation before she did.

Second. the FBI told a Wall Street Journal reporter (he was interviewed on the News Hour) that while investigating former congressman Weiner allegedly sexting an under age girl, they seized or were given access to a laptop belonging to his ex-wife, Huma Abedin, a Clinton staffer who worked at the State Department as Hillary Clinton's deputy chief of staff. They discovered there were "several thousand work-related" emails to and from Hillary Clinton while she was Secretary of State. The FBI is now going through these emails to see if there are any containing mishandled classified material.

Third, the FBI has apparently had the laptop for a while but just recently realized it contained emails between Abedin and then Secretary Clinton.

Fourth, questions have been raised as to the timing of the FBI announcement. The Wall Street Journal reporter was told, possibly off-the-record, that the Bureau did consider holding back the information until after the election. But decided if they were to be criticized it would better to be criticized for announcing the reopened investigation before the election than wait until after the election and be accused of holding back the information to try and protect Clinton.

Finally, journalists and others who have extensively interviewed voters of both parties seemed to agree, the effect of the disclosure on Clinton's campaign will be negligible, that voters have pretty much made up their minds by this point.
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I think it's possible that it will have a significant effect on turnout for Hillary. People are likely to feel fatigued that this stuff keeps dogging her, and, whether it's reasonable or not, many will perhaps feel concerned about electing someone who still seems to be the target of an FBI criminal investigation. I don't think it's as simple as "people have already made up their minds." A lot of Bernie supporters who had maybe come to terms with voting for Hillary might not bother now.
 
Comey is just saving his ass like there was something new to find. There are emails. There have been trickle-down emails for a year. We have found out that there was...a server. And people working for Hillary have some e mails.
 
newyorkguy said:
Second. the FBI told a Wall Street Journal reporter (he was interviewed on the News Hour) that while investigating former congressman Weiner allegedly sexting an under age girl, they seized or were given access to a laptop belonging to his ex-wife, Huma Abedin, a Clinton staffer who worked at the State Department as Hillary Clinton's deputy chief of staff. They discovered there were "several thousand work-related" emails to and from Hillary Clinton while she was Secretary of State. The FBI is now going through these emails to see if there are any containing mishandled classified material.
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This is my source as well. As far as I understand it, the whole reason for the letter is that there are emails relevant to Clinton's server issues.
 
To all:

This morning I sent a letter to Congress in connection with the Secretary Clinton email investigation. Yesterday, the investigative team briefed me on their recommendation with respect to seeking access to emails that have recently been found in an unrelated case. Because those emails appear to be pertinent to our investigation, I agreed that we should take appropriate steps to obtain and review them.

Of course, we don’t ordinarily tell Congress about ongoing investigations, but here I feel an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed. I also think it would be misleading to the American people were we not to supplement the record. At the same time, however, given that we don’t know the significance of this newly discovered collection of emails, I don’t want to create a misleading impression. In trying to strike that balance, in a brief letter and in the middle of an election season, there is significant risk of being misunderstood, but I wanted you to hear directly from me about it.

Jim Comey
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...vestigation/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.99484471625d
 
Below is a scan of the letter FBI Director James Comey sent to Congress. In it Comey refers to the Clinton email server investigation as having been "completed." Most of the major media are referring to the "closed" investigation being "reopened." I think that's fairly accurate. Maybe the "inactive" investigation has been "reactivated," would be even more accurate. I really can't see that it makes much difference either way.
 

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If the computers were taken from Weiner's home, the FBI must have had a search warrant specifying that it was looking for emails connected to Weiner's sexting underage girls.

IMO to some extent that could lead to exclusion of evidence not related to the Weiner investigation.

Comey seems to be in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation. Look like he's covering something up, or look like he's bent on publicizing information unrelated to the Weiner case.

ETA: Who publicized the letter? I listen to talk radio on the commute and see mostly liberal-ish posters here, so I'm often spinned both ways before I look at the news stories.

ETA2: And from a quick CNN read I still don't know. Democrats are saying he "released" or "announced" something, but a letter to a congressional committee does not have to be made public. If he didn't intend to make a public announcement it would have been leaked anyway. News organizations certainly have an incentive to fan the flames of controversy, so I'm leery of "bombshells."

Apologies if this has been addressed already.
 
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newyorkguy said:
Second. the FBI told a Wall Street Journal reporter (he was interviewed on the News Hour) that while investigating former congressman Weiner allegedly sexting an under age girl, they seized or were given access to a laptop belonging to his ex-wife, Huma Abedin, a Clinton staffer who worked at the State Department as Hillary Clinton's deputy chief of staff. They discovered there were "several thousand work-related" emails to and from Hillary Clinton while she was Secretary of State. The FBI is now going through these emails to see if there are any containing mishandled classified material.
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The FBI has no business telling this to Wall Street Journal reporters.

But I'm sensing the press might have been tipped off now to give Clinton time to react before the election.

The intrigue of it all is bad for Clinton, because here I am saying the executive branch of government is manipulating the timing of announcements.


ETA: No evidence, just experience with cops manipulating the press.
 
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Minoosh said:
... Comey seems to be in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation. Look like he's covering something up, or look like he's bent on publicizing information unrelated to the Weiner case. ...
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I think it was more of a CYA move than one which considered the implications of his actions on the election. Perhaps he sees his days as director numbered and he no longer gives a rip about precedent.


From the Trump thread:
Tony Stark said:
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/792069375964569600
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Pretty sure that just means the emails weren't on Clinton's server, and that it isn't saying none of the emails were between Abedin and Clinton.
 
Congratulations hillary for being the first presidential candidate to be investigated by the FBI twice!
 
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It's a weekend and this inexplicable FBI action will get a lot of air time. This helps Trump, definitely. Less due to the emails/investigation than due to keeping him off Page 1 with whatever latest stupid statement he makes. When Trump recedes to the third item on the evening news his numbers go up. There are only so many minutes in a news hour, and giving twenty of them to the Comey story and its crosstalk will move a lot of stories out of sight.

On a nice slow Friday night, Trump's personal racial profiling in Kinston would surely be up there in coverage. (He said to his staff, "ooh, we've got a protester" and then told them to get the thug out. Guess what color the TRUMP SUPPORTER WAS.)

And now we'll see if there's a Great Huge Hillary Machine. If there is, there will be another Trump bombshell within 48 hours.
 
Foolmewunz said:
And now we'll see if there's a Great Huge Hillary Machine. If there is, there will be another Trump bombshell within 48 hours.
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For clarity: A bombshell against Trump? For him?

Hillary does have a machine - a unified party.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'll wait and see on this one. It would be odd if Huma had thousands of emails and none were to or from Hillary.
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It merits investigation which was ongoing. There was no reason to publicise it because that's purely a political maneuver at this point in time.
 
From the LA Times:

News of Comey’s letter sent the stock market falling and Republican candidates rewriting their stump speeches. The Clinton campaign was caught off guard, as the letter emerged while the candidate and her entourage, including Abedin, were flying on a campaign plane with no working Wi-Fi en route to a rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
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The letter emerged. A classic journalistic dodge.
 
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