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Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

Garrison said:
You have to bear in mind that for a lot of them it's more than party lines. They may not like Trump but they detest Hillary Clinton



No, there were endless accusations, but barring Monica, which was much later, nothing like Trump. Bill Clinton also had charisma Trump can only dream of.
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You're right of course. A little story of my own:

I have an uncle who visits every year. This is a very successful man, highly intelligent and a moral character that I hold in the utmost esteem. Yet on his last visit he demonstrated exactly what you describe: no love for Trump, but absolute vitriol for Hillary and all things Clinton. The usual alt-right story lines: killed 100 people; disdain for secret service. Whitewater.

Simply shocking that a man I hold in such good stead, who I trust with my money and still do, unreservedly, could fall for such nonsense.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Will they be after the press conference she is giving on her immigration status and work permits?
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Yeah that one seems to have gone by the board. Of course we did get that lawyer's note which in effect that having read undisclosed documents the lawyer was sure that Melania was the most legal immigrant ever in the history of immigration :rolleyes:
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
Do a Google Image Search for "Bill Clinton Wagging Finger".

He was certainly capable of a bold-faced lie.
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Everyone is capable of a bold-faced lie but very few can keep up with the rate that Trump manufactures them. He doesn't seem to be able to speak for any length of time, on any topic, without lying.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Do a Google Image Search for "Bill Clinton Wagging Finger".

He was certainly capable of a bold-faced lie.
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I'll give you that one vs Trump's many. And given the circumstances, I don't know if Clinton did anything any of us wouldn't do.

Can you really compare this to Trump's demonstrated pathology? Take this last one with Milania: all he had to say was we hope to have her do some more speeches. No. He needs to make it a lie and say she "agreed" when clearly she didn't.

Again, can you really compare Clinton's "I didn't have sex with [her so I could save my marriage and Presidency]" to Trump's compulsion to lie, literally, about almost everything?

Take the polls. Every poll that has him down is fake. Every poll that has him up is true. And sometimes these are the same polls! Is this really comparable to Clinton?
 
Spindrift said:
Everyone is capable of a bold-faced lie but very few can keep up with the rate that Trump manufactures them. He doesn't seem to be able to speak for any length of time, on any topic, without lying.
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I made the joke "every 38 words" during one of the debates, but I think I over counted. It's more like every 12.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
No.

Please go back and see what my post was attempting to address.
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Then please go back and see what the question was. Let me help:

Originally Posted by cantonear1968

I'm old enough to remember Bill Clinton but I didn't follow politics closely back then. I know he was referred to as "Slick Willy" but was he the proven categorical liar Trump is?
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It wasn't has Clinton ever told a lie. It was comparing his level of lying to Trump's ozone layer level of lying.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Do a Google Image Search for "Bill Clinton Wagging Finger".

He was certainly capable of a bold-faced lie.
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I'm sure Bill Clinton was quite capable of telling a lie in his own interest or in the interest of a cause he believed in, in a premeditated fashion, and did so when he felt he needed to and thought he could get away with it, while knowing it was a lie. I'd find it hard to think of a politician of whom that wasn't true. The problem with Trump is not that he lies, but that he seems to have no notion of the difference between lies and truth; he simply says what he wants to believe is true at the time he says it.

Dave
 
I once saw a clip of Slick Willy saying that he didn't have sex with that woman. He quavered and looked dumb -- as obvious a liar as you ever saw.

Slick? Wonder who hung that old southern tag on him? In the woolhat culture down there, it has admiring connotations. He never earned it.

Of course, nobody in his right wits would call Trumpf slick. Ever.
 
sackett said:
I once saw a clip of Slick Willy saying that he didn't have sex with that woman. He quavered and looked dumb -- as obvious a liar as you ever saw.

Slick? Wonder who hung that old southern tag on him? In the woolhat culture down there, it has admiring connotations. He never earned it.

Of course, nobody in his right wits would call Trumpf slick. Ever.
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Slick Willy is an obscene pun on Bill's name, thus ironic, while also referring to his ability to shrug off political scandals.
 
Tony Stark said:
ETA: haven't I pretty clearly stated that I think that Donald may have banged Ivanka. And by may, I don't even mean probably. More like I don't think it is far fetched and would not be at all surprised if it really happened.
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If I may make a suggestion, your claim would be clearer if you explicitly included the word "plausible" in some form. The word "may" suggests mere possibility, whereas you seem to be arguing for plausibility.
 
phiwum said:
If I may make a suggestion, your claim would be clearer if you explicitly included the word "plausible" in some form. The word "may" suggests mere possibility, whereas you seem to be arguing for plausibility.
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OK. Fair enough.

Because Donald Trump is a sexual predator who is attracted to his daughter, I think it is plausible that he banged her.

OK, enough of the repetition now. Discuss this allegation if you wish, but please don't spam the thread with the same thing over and over again.
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phiwum said:
It is perfectly reasonable to point out that Trump shows incredible disrespect towards women.

It is perfectly reasonable to be concerned that a dozen women accuse him of sexual assault, some with contemporaneous witnesses, and that these accusations are similar to his boasts.

It is perfectly reasonable to point out the things he says about his daughter constitute really creepy evidence of just how far his disrespect of women go.

All of these are very good reasons not to vote for Trump. Why spin dark fantasies about what may have happened, without good evidence as to whether it happened or not? What point does that make?
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So, we're in agreement, then. The only difference seemingly is that I express my opprobrium and move on. (See: Trump/Rape thread.)

Is it "Let's Put Tony On The Rack Day"? Does anyone have any doubt as to your various opinions? Does anyone think that Tony's going to be swayed by their arguments? This is all virtue signaling, I'm afraid.
 
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