Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

steve s said:
Now I'm really beginning to agree with those who say he's deliberately sabotaging his own campaign because he doesn't want to win. What's the alternative? Insanity?

Steve S
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Stupidity.

He may be Kanye West / John Rocker level stupid. He's not insane.

He's just a moron.
 
I forgot something during the discussion of his creepy condolence note to the Travoltas.

This is a guy who bragged to Stern that he could've banged Princess Diana if he wanted to. Again, those years when he was Howard's and Robin's little bitch should be played over and over to disabuse anyone of the notion that he's some sort of International Celebrity Badass. He was a lounge lizard real estate mogul, then he was a failed lounge lizard real estate mogul and guest freak on Howard Stern's show, then he was the rough tough BOSS MAN created by Mark Burnett. Does he still own any of the properties he farmed out the "winners" on The Apprentice to manage or promote?

He's a chameleon and whatever role gets him attention, he'll take on.
 
I guess "barefoot and pregnant" would seem too old fashioned...

.... so Donald merely ordered his wife to take on "three" speaking gigs. Much to her surprise. Just as she was busy talking up her loyalty and devotion, he apparently decided on the fly that that sounded pretty impressive so he ran with it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-melania-speeches-surprise-230385
“She’s actually going to make two or three speeches,” Donald Trump announced.
“Oh,” a startled Melania Trump interjected, prompting ABC’s George Stephanopoulos to observe he “made some news right there.”
“Well, it is. It’s, it’s — she’s amazing when she speaks,” Donald Trump said. “She’s an amazing public speaker so she’s agreed to do two or three speeches, and I think it’s going to be big speeches, important speeches, and I think it’s gonna be great.”
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Foolmewunz said:
“She’s actually going to make two or three speeches,” Donald Trump announced.
“Oh,” a startled Melania Trump interjected, prompting ABC’s George Stephanopoulos to observe he “made some news right there.”
“Well, it is. It’s, it’s — she’s amazing when she speaks,” Donald Trump said. “She’s an amazing public speaker so she’s agreed to do two or three speeches, and I think it’s going to be big speeches, important speeches, and I think it’s gonna be great.”
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Why can't people see he's a compulsive liar? He simply cannot help himself. That part highlighted is an obvious lie. You can tell from her reaction she knew nothing about it, and she just said she was staying home for her son, yet he states she "agreed" to the speeches.

This man has proven himself untrustworthy and unfit at every turn, and yet he still garners 40% of the vote.

Truly mindboggling.

Edit: Just found this on CNN and felt it relevant:

"I think we're going to have a tremendous victory," Trump told CNN's Dana Bash Wednesday. "If I didn't think it, I wouldn't say it."
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Donald has proven time and again he will say anything in the moment, whether he believes it or not.
 
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cantonear1968 said:
Why can't people see he's a compulsive liar? He simply cannot help himself. That part highlighted is an obvious lie. You can tell from her reaction she knew nothing about it, and she just said she was staying home for her son, yet he states she "agreed" to the speeches.

This man has proven himself untrustworthy and unfit at every turn, and yet he still garners 40% of the vote.

Truly mindboggling.
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It's simple. He says what he wants to be true, and his supporters believe what they want to be true. As long as his delusions don't conflict with their desires they'll get along like a house on fire.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It's simple. He says what he wants to be true, and his supporters believe what they want to be true. As long as his delusions don't conflict with their desires they'll get along like a house on fire.
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But 40% of the electorate? That's the part I'm struggling with. Yes, I know much of that is simply voting party lines, but......

I'm old enough to remember Bill Clinton but I didn't follow politics closely back then. I know he was referred to as "Slick Willy" but was he the proven categorical liar Trump is?
 
Tony Stark said:
I'm not even saying he did it.

I just don't think it is unreasonable to believe he may have.
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As far as I know, you may have had sex with your daughter, son, father or mother, if "may have" merely means that it is possible. Mere possibility isn't much of an assertion.

If I really wanted to pursue this silly line of reasoning, I would point out that you seem to be very vocal about how bad incest is, and this is similar to the way that some closeted homosexual are publicly quite homophobic, so it just might be the case that you are a closeted incestuous person.

Obviously, this is a silly line of reasoning. I don't know how common father/daughter incest is, but I'd think it's very, very uncommon. I don't think that public comments about wanting to date one's daughter increases the probability much. So while of course it is possible that Trump does/did this, the question is whether it is likely or not (and why we should waste time on this topic).

And I don't know why it is so important to you.

Do me a favor, and don't go back into tantrum mode.

NOTE TO MODS: Nothing here is a personal attack on Tony, because as far as each of us know, any other person on this forum could be in an incestuous relationship with parent or child. Mere possibility expresses not much anything at all.
 
cantonear1968 said:
But 40% of the electorate? That's the part I'm struggling with. Yes, I know much of that is simply voting party lines, but......

I'm old enough to remember Bill Clinton but I didn't follow politics closely back then. I know he was referred to as "Slick Willy" but was he the proven categorical liar Trump is?
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How many people believe in an afterlife just because they want there to be one? What's astonishing isn't the percentage of people supporting nonsense, it's the percentage of people who aren't. Historically, humanity has been mostly irrational and insane. Sense is a new trend, and we should expect it to take a long time to triumph.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I agree that this is totally unfair treatment of a potentially honorable person. Sure, we know that he's bragged about groping women. Well, yeah, we've seen him fondling his daughter, or at least trying to, on national television. Yeah, there's that picture of him at a Beach Boys concert with a post-pubescent Ivanka in hot pants sitting on his lap. And he did say he'd like to, er, date.... her if she wasn't his daughter. And acknowledged, when cornered, that it should be okay for another creepy rich and famous person to call her "a piece of ass"

Well, I just hope no one links to his comment from,.... from..... now what show was that?


Oh, look! Here it is.... I'm sure this is just locker room talk. We all invite our daughter, a female host, a live audience and a half-million home viewers into the locker room, right? Well, I know I sure do.



Yeah, I just hope no one finds that and links to it. Because that would be just speculative pandering. And that's probably not a skeptical way to approach questions. No sir! We're Skeptics, by gawd and we need to give perps people the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty. This is still America*, right?


(This was my totally disingenuous version of Trump's "You know, I could've said some bad stuff about Bill but I'm so classy I didn't..." while he had seven spokes-weasels lined up to grab microphones on every network to explain what he meant by that.)

*And, no... I'm in Thailand. We can lock yer ass up and hold you with no evidence of any sort.
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It is perfectly reasonable to point out that Trump shows incredible disrespect towards women.

It is perfectly reasonable to be concerned that a dozen women accuse him of sexual assault, some with contemporaneous witnesses, and that these accusations are similar to his boasts.

It is perfectly reasonable to point out the things he says about his daughter constitute really creepy evidence of just how far his disrespect of women go.

All of these are very good reasons not to vote for Trump. Why spin dark fantasies about what may have happened, without good evidence as to whether it happened or not? What point does that make?
 
Tony Stark said:
Not my fault that Donald Trump is a sexual predator who is clearly attracted to his daughter.
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No one said that these two facts[1] are your fault.

[1] Strictly speaking, I don't care to think that "Trump is a sexual predator," is a fact, since it is a pretty vague statement and I don't know precisely what evidence is sufficient to prove it. But it's quite probable that he has groped many women over the years and that he shows incredible disrespect towards women in his words, so if that's sufficient to be a "sexual predator", then I think it's quite probable he is one.
 
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phiwum said:
As far as I know, you may have had sex with your daughter, son, father or mother, if "may have" merely means that it is possible. Mere possibility isn't much of an assertion.

If I really wanted to pursue this silly line of reasoning, I would point out that you seem to be very vocal about how bad incest is, and this is similar to the way that some closeted homosexual are publicly quite homophobic, so it just might be the case that you are a closeted incestuous person.

Obviously, this is a silly line of reasoning. I don't know how common father/daughter incest is, but I'd think it's very, very uncommon. I don't think that public comments about wanting to date one's daughter increases the probability much. So while of course it is possible that Trump does/did this, the question is whether it is likely or not (and why we should waste time on this topic).

And I don't know why it is so important to you.

Do me a favor, and don't go back into tantrum mode.

NOTE TO MODS: Nothing here is a personal attack on Tony, because as far as each of us know, any other person on this forum could be in an incestuous relationship with parent or child. Mere possibility expresses not much anything at all.
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I'm not a confessed sexual predator and I've never talked about how hot my daughter (or whoever) is, how I would date her if she wasn't my daughter, that the thing we have most in common in sex, that it is ok to call her a piece of ass, ect. There are no creepy images of me with her. You get the picture.

I don't really care that you disagree. That's fine. But what I find really odd is that you keep on responding. Even after you said you wouldn't. If you people just ignored me, it would have just been me making a couple of remarks. But here we are still talking about it.
 
cantonear1968 said:
But 40% of the electorate? That's the part I'm struggling with. Yes, I know much of that is simply voting party lines, but......
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You have to bear in mind that for a lot of them it's more than party lines. They may not like Trump but they detest Hillary Clinton

I'm old enough to remember Bill Clinton but I didn't follow politics closely back then. I know he was referred to as "Slick Willy" but was he the proven categorical liar Trump is?
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No, there were endless accusations, but barring Monica, which was much later, nothing like Trump. Bill Clinton also had charisma Trump can only dream of.
 
cantonear1968 said:
But 40% of the electorate? That's the part I'm struggling with. Yes, I know much of that is simply voting party lines, but......

I'm old enough to remember Bill Clinton but I didn't follow politics closely back then. I know he was referred to as "Slick Willy" but was he the proven categorical liar Trump is?
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Do a Google Image Search for "Bill Clinton Wagging Finger".

He was certainly capable of a bold-faced lie.
 
Tony Stark said:
I'm not a confessed sexual predator and I've never talked about how hot my daughter (or whoever) is, how I would date her if she wasn't my daughter, that the thing we have most in common in sex, that it is ok to call her a piece of ass, ect. There are no creepy images of me with her. You get the picture.
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None of those things are necessary, if I'm merely asserting that it is possible that you have done this, as far as I know. For mere possibility, I just need to think that it's possible you're physically capable and have at some time been in the vicinity of the appropriate relatives.

You're trying to say something stronger than "Trump may have done X," evidently, so at least spell out what you mean.

I don't really care that you disagree. That's fine. But what I find really odd is that you keep on responding. Even after you said you wouldn't. If you people just ignored me, it would have just been me making a couple of remarks. But here we are still talking about it.
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I respond to you because I keep thinking that, at some point, you will think about what I say and change your view or your expression of that view. At this time, I'm not telling you that your behavior is repulsive (though it is). I'm simply pointing out that you really aren't expressing your repellent fantasy explicitly enough (er, in terms of probability, plausibility, etc. I'm not asking for more details about what he's possibly done.).
 
phiwum said:
None of those things are necessary, if I'm merely asserting that it is possible that you have done this, as far as I know. For mere possibility, I just need to think that it's possible you're physically capable and have at some time been in the vicinity of the appropriate relatives.

You're trying to say something stronger than "Trump may have done X," evidently, so at least spell out what you mean.
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Given that I'm not a confessed sexual predator who is has made it clear that I'm attracted to a relative, you have no point.

I respond to you because I keep thinking that, at some point, you will think about what I say and change your view or your expression of that view. At this time, I'm not telling you that your behavior is repulsive (though it is). I'm simply pointing out that you really aren't expressing your repellent fantasy explicitly enough (er, in terms of probability, plausibility, etc. I'm not asking for more details about what he's possibly done.).
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You're wasting your time not to mention keeping the thread on the subject.

If you really think it is so bad for me to keep on saying that that Donald Trump is a sexual predator that is a attracted to his daughter and so he may have banged her, you should just stop responding to me.

ETA: haven't I pretty clearly stated that I think that Donald may have banged Ivanka. And by may, I don't even mean probably. More like I don't think it is far fetched and would not be at all surprised if it really happened.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
How many people believe in an afterlife just because they want there to be one? What's astonishing isn't the percentage of people supporting nonsense, it's the percentage of people who aren't. Historically, humanity has been mostly irrational and insane. Sense is a new trend, and we should expect it to take a long time to triumph.
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I would counter you're comparing faith based with fact based. There is no proof an afterlife doesn't exist (yes I know I'm arguing a false negative), yet there is ample proof Trump is a liar. Not spin. Demonstrable lies. I believe it was Politico who did the research and found 70% of what he says is lies. And that's just in this political season. There is 50 years of Trump material showing his lack of character and falsehoods.

In a sense I agree with you that much of his hardcore support is faith based in that they want him to be true. It's just in the face of so much counter evidence that is startling for me. And probably for most people; I doubt anyone thought racism was gone. It's just surprising to see how much support it still gets.

I apologize ahead of time for the broad stroke classification, but I refer to Bill Maher's statement "Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public".
 
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