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You may be Pyschic, not mentally ill.

Graham2001

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Just spotted this story today, why we should be worried about things like this should be obvious:

Quebec's Order of Psychologists has suspended a psychologist for three months for telling patients he saw to see a psychic medium.

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Allaire was providing therapy for a 13-year-old girl who was suicidal. She was living in a group home in when her psychiatrist recommended she enter therapy.


A year after starting therapy, she started hearing voices and having hallucinations.


According to the Order of Psychologists discipline committee, when he learned of her symptoms, Allaire told her she might have a "gift" and not to tell her psychiatrist.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-psychologist-suspended-medium-1.3821754

The above took place in 2012 and it was not the only patient this individual told that they should see if they were psychic rather than mentally ill.

The cause for harm is obvious.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
3 month suspension? Rather than having his license revoked?
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I was not impressed with that decision either.

I can remember back in the 1990s New Agers telling people that "You may be Psychic, not Psychotic". I have always wondered if some of the wilder claims coming out of the New Age originated with the mentally ill.
 
I was diagnosed a schizophrenic in 1969 and put on heavy drugs. They turned me into a zombie. The psychiatrists advised me to stay on them for life, but they completely deadened my mind, so I spent about five years gradually reducing the dose until I got off them completely. During that time I started going to spiritualist churches and having spiritual healing. I went to the spiritualist association in London, and a healing group run by the late Ursula Roberts and I learned that my etheric body was loose and my chakras miss aligned. I had feelings like fire flowing though my chakras and that is what first attracted me to occultism. I saw a diagram of the seven main chakras in a book called alternative London in 1972 and I recognised them as the places where I had feelings like fire. After a few years the healing restored my psychic system to normal and I no longer had those feelings and no longer needed the medication. My mind improved enough to study electronic and I became an engineer. There is more to this story but that's enough to be going on with.
 
Scorpion said:
I was diagnosed a schizophrenic in 1969 and put on heavy drugs. They turned me into a zombie. The psychiatrists advised me to stay on them for life, but they completely deadened my mind, so I spent about five years gradually reducing the dose until I got off them completely. During that time I started going to spiritualist churches and having spiritual healing. I went to the spiritualist association in London, and a healing group run by the late Ursula Roberts and I learned that my etheric body was loose and my chakras miss aligned. I had feelings like fire flowing though my chakras and that is what first attracted me to occultism. I saw a diagram of the seven main chakras in a book called alternative London in 1972 and I recognised them as the places where I had feelings like fire. After a few years the healing restored my psychic system to normal and I no longer had those feelings and no longer needed the medication. My mind improved enough to study electronic and I became an engineer. There is more to this story but that's enough to be going on with.
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Cool story, bro.
 
Scorpion said:
I went to the spiritualist association in London, and a healing group run by the late Ursula Roberts and I learned that my etheric body was loose and my chakras miss aligned. I had feelings like fire flowing though my chakras and that is what first attracted me to occultism.
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I've found that laying off the hot sauce will clear that right up.
 
I appreciate a skeptics forum will not believe me but I can assure you I had some strange experiences, all of which were explained by my etheric body being loose and my chakras miss aligned. But the only answer psychiatrists had was heavy medication, and the drugs in the 1970s were just knock out drops, not the targeted drugs they have today that balance the brain chemistry.
I write this information on the off chance that someone else will find it beneficial to know there is an explanation other than plain old insanity.
 
Scorpion said:
I appreciate a skeptics forum will not believe me but I can assure you I had some strange experiences, all of which were explained by my etheric body being loose and my chakras miss aligned. But the only answer psychiatrists had was heavy medication, and the drugs in the 1970s were just knock out drops, not the targeted drugs they have today that balance the brain chemistry.
I write this information on the off chance that someone else will find it beneficial to know there is an explanation other than plain old insanity.
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Why should anyone believe unevidenced bare assertions?
 
Scorpion said:
I appreciate a skeptics forum will not believe me but I can assure you I had some strange experiences, all of which were explained by my etheric body being loose and my chakras miss aligned. But the only answer psychiatrists had was heavy medication, and the drugs in the 1970s were just knock out drops, not the targeted drugs they have today that balance the brain chemistry.
I write this information on the off chance that someone else will find it beneficial to know there is an explanation other than plain old insanity.
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If it worked, great. But there is no evidence that the etheric body or chakras exist. They might well be convenient and effective metaphors for what is actually going on from a neurochemical standpoint.
 
Resume said:
Why should anyone believe unevidenced bare assertions?
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I don't think that skeptics will believe me, but someone may be suffering with the same condition, and for them I have a message of hope. All conventional psychiatry can offer is medication, accompanied by a negative diagnosis.
 
Vortigern99 said:
If it worked, great. But there is no evidence that the etheric body or chakras exist. They might well be convenient and effective metaphors for what is actually going on from a neurochemical standpoint.
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I could feel the energy flowing through the chakras in all the main seven that are commonly known about by psychics. I also learned there are fourteen minor chakras that are not so commonly known about, and they are very important in healing and self healing. I found I could channel healing energy to myself through the palms of my hands and in through my temples where there are minor chakras. It took me years to discover there were minor chakras that could be used in this way. I finally saw a diagram of them in a book called ' Hands of light' by Barbara Ann Brenan.
 
Scorpion said:
I could feel the energy flowing through the chakras in all the main seven that are commonly known about by psychics. I also learned there are fourteen minor chakras that are not so commonly known about, and they are very important in healing and self healing. I found I could channel healing energy to myself through the palms of my hands and in through my temples where there are minor chakras. It took me years to discover there were minor chakras that could be used in this way. I finally saw a diagram of them in a book called ' Hands of light' by Barbara Ann Brenan.
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I'm not doubting you, necessarily, and I'm glad you're better. What I'm trying to explain is that the neurochemical processes at work -- the healing factors, so to speak -- are physiological, not mystical.

There is good science backing up the claim that focusing one's attention on injuries can help speed recovery. There is no good science supporting the existence of chakras.
 
Define 'psychic' in terms of science.

There is no definition.


Science supports what is seen and if your 'psychic' experiences are seen to produce behavior which is deemed [rationally explained ]as "inappropriate" then the label "mentally ill" becomes applicable. [stigmata]

Over and above this, [quietly working behind that] is the investment-for-profit empire of actual human beings who insist the"consumer" thinks in a particular pattern...one which is busy mowing the lawn and watching the tube [seeking out...

...Pokemons...]

...otherwise distracted...


A case of "I think therefore I am, therefore who am I?"

The answer of course is completely up to the individual to determine but from other perspectives, "you" are owned by those who call you 'consumer' and are willing to pronounce "you" "mentally ill" should "you" question that too seriously.

They have science as their weapon of choice...

...and real scientists willing to help them maintain their positions in wealth and prosperity and inventions of distraction.

You don't actually have to be "psychic" to see the obvious...indeed, by most accounts, those calling themselves "psychic" and making buck$ out of it are still taking advantage of consumerism/consumerists...

...It is a slippery path of snake-oil...
 
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Anyone who hears voices then consults a psychiatrist can expect a diagnosis of schizophrenia. If a psychiatrist is enlightened enough to consider a person may be psychic instead they are a rare breed. The first thing I would ask someone who hears voice is, "do they make sense " then "do they tell you any facts that you did not know". In other words is there intelligence behind them or are they just echoes from the subconscious.
I have experienced both kinds of voices in my time.

I went to a lecture by Thomas Johansson the ex secretary of the spiritualist association and the lecture was entitled ' schizophrenia the psychic illness'. In that lecture Johansson said that even a developed medium could get schizophrenia if they allowed themselves to become depressed or low in moral. Their psychic senses would be overwhelmed by negative energies and they would loose control of their gift. On the other hand a schizophrenic that was a victim of psychic chaos could overcome it and gain control if they made enough effort and raised their spirits.
 
Scorpion said:
Anyone who hears voices then consults a psychiatrist can expect a diagnosis of schizophrenia. If a psychiatrist is enlightened enough to consider a person may be psychic instead they are a rare breed. The first thing I would ask someone who hears voice is, "do they make sense " then "do they tell you any facts that you did not know". In other words is there intelligence behind them or are they just echoes from the subconscious.
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If anyone is hearing voices internally and are not affected detrimentally, then there is no need to consult anyone about it, certainly not a psychiatrist.
If that were the case with me, I would be consulting the voices to find out more about them and to get their 'take' on things

I have experienced both kinds of voices in my time.
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How did you handle each type?

I went to a lecture by Thomas Johansson the ex secretary of the spiritualist association and the lecture was entitled ' schizophrenia the psychic illness'. In that lecture Johansson said that even a developed medium could get schizophrenia if they allowed themselves to become depressed or low in moral. Their psychic senses would be overwhelmed by negative energies and they would loose control of their gift. On the other hand a schizophrenic that was a victim of psychic chaos could overcome it and gain control if they made enough effort and raised their spirits.
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Eleanor Longden gives a great wee talk on her experiences with the voices in her head - well worth the watch for a pro active way in which to approach the experience...from what you say, I think the video talk might be of great interest to you Scorpion...

The voices in my head [Video - 14:13]
 
Scorpion said:
Anyone who hears voices then consults a psychiatrist can expect a diagnosis of schizophrenia.
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That is simply incorrect. Indeed people with no psychiatric issues at all, may have audio hallucinations on some medications like anticoagulants.

The best thing to do is see your doctor and systematically work through the issues and specific facts of the case.
 
It's jumping the gun just a little to get from a potentially bad diagnosis, and the poor psychiatric drugs available in the 60's, to therefore I have psychic powers and chakras are real.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
That is simply incorrect. Indeed people with no psychiatric issues at all, may have audio hallucinations on some medications like anticoagulants.
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I'm prone to hypnagogia when overly tired. Usually, it's the standard brief dream state occurring just before I'm about to nod off. Sometimes, instead, background noises will start to become muttering. They never form coherent words, but it's clear enough that I can tell that they're supposed to be voices.
 
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