Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

newyorkguy said:
Trump is an unusual man. This summer Jesse Jackson said Trump's appeal to African Americans to vote for him will "fall on deaf ears." Jackson was very critical of Trump's efforts to establish Barack Obama was literally un-American. But Jackson stopped short of calling Trump a racist. I'm sure Jackson remembers:
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Jesse Jackson is a politically connected man - he always has to be very diplomatic.

Like many others, I have no such concerns, which is why I've agreed with many other nonwhite journalists in concluding that his current campaign is largely based on white nationalism. That's what his policy proposals amount to, period.
 
Mumbles said:
Jesse Jackson is a politically connected man - he always has to be very diplomatic.

Like many others, I have no such concerns, which is why I've agreed with many other nonwhite journalists in concluding that his current campaign is largely based on white nationalism. That's what his policy proposals amount to, period.
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I understand you don't agree and I appreciate you stating it without resorting to ridicule. ;)

My feeling is, Trump is so lacking in political sophistication, if someone said to him, "Mr Trump do you realize your campaign seems white nationalist oriented to many people?" he honestly wouldn't understand what they were talking about.

I saw a segment from an Oprah Winfrey show -- and one taped not all that long ago -- in which Trump said he was thinking about running for president and suggested Oprah would make a great running mate. That if the two of them ran together they'd have the demographic bases completely covered. What kind of dyed-in-the-wool white racist would suggest a black woman join him in a run for the White House?

My suggestion: The Don is dumb as a post. :cool:
 
newyorkguy said:
I saw a segment from an Oprah Winfrey show -- and one taped not all that long ago -- in which Trump said he was thinking about running for president and suggested Oprah would make a great running mate. That if the two of them ran together they'd have the demographic bases completely covered. What kind of dyed-in-the-wool white racist would suggest a black woman join him in a run for the White House?
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A lying racist.
 
newyorkguy said:
[*]The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people
I think it was actually, Fred Trump's company, The Don's father. Remember, until the mid-1960s it was legal for a landlord to refuse to rent to minorities.
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Donald was President of the company. He was hands-on by his own admission. He was a named party in the suit, which was filed in 1973.

They wrote "C" for colored on the applications.

I'm unimpressed with the rest of your excuses as well.
 
newyorkguy said:
I'm not spinning anything; I honestly don't believe Trump is a racist. He may be crude at times, insensitive, an elitist who goes out of his way to dis people, but for me that is more a bombastic New York semi-street style of trash talk than an expression of overt racism. A true racist wouldn't have hired a black accountant in the first place. The above is one guy in forty years of public life that accused The Don of talking that way. It could very well be trash talk. There's no question the quote is from someone who was defintely a disgruntled ex-employee.

The fact is Trump praised Obama eight years ago, In fact he said he sympathized with Obama because of the fact, as a black man, to be judged as a 'good' president he will probably have to be a 'great' president.


  • He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”
    I think you could also see this as Trump trying a crude tactic to back the judge -- the judge who is hearing his fraud civil suit -- into a corner.
  • The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people
    I think it was actually, Fred Trump's company, The Don's father. Remember, until the mid-1960s it was legal for a landlord to refuse to rent to minorities.
  • In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career - The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino $200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.
    It says it was managers who did this, not Trump. I would agree, though, Trump certainly knew about it and approved it. But he was trying to make money, accommodate a high roller. My takeaway is, Trump employed black dealers. If the story was, Trump casinos would only employ blacks in low-level non-skilled job, that qualified black people applied for dealer jobs and none were ver hired, that would say racism. They never had a black dealer in a place like Atlantic City with a large African American population. If that were true, then maybe I'd see him as a racist instead of a lout.
  • He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him
    That was just plain stupid! ;)
  • He questions whether President Obama was born in the United States [maybe you are oblivious to the racism of the birther movement]
    See above, at one time he supported Obama. In fact, Trump may well have voted for Obama in 2008.
  • He treats racial groups as monoliths
    He talks that way.
  • He trashed Native Americans, too - In 1993, when Trump wanted to open a casino in Bridgeport, Connecticut, that would compete with one owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Nation, a local Native American tribe, he told the House subcommittee on Native American Affairs that “they don’t look like Indians to me... They don’t look like Indians to Indians.”
    Right, and this was the occasion that prompted the then Governor of Connecticut to call Trump a dirtbag. But the thing with Trump is, he later approached the Native American corporation that owned the casino about serving as their management group. The Native Americans reportedly considered hiring him, too.
  • He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five [maybe you don't think that was frank racism either]
    This one I have to recuse myself on. I saw these kids in action several times when I lived in East Harlem.
  • He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester
    That's not surprising, Trump can be very ignorant and has a macho man style. He once urged his followers to rough up a white protester and turn him out into a New England winter night without his coat.
  • He called supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”
    See above.
  • He stereotyped Jews and shared an anti-Semitic meme created by white supremacists
    Yet his son-in-law, Ivanka's husband, who is helping run his campaign, is Jewish.
  • He treats African-American supporters as tokens to dispel the idea he is racist
    The fact he has African American followers should tell you something.
Trump is an unusual man. This summer Jesse Jackson said Trump's appeal to African Americans to vote for him will "fall on deaf ears." Jackson was very critical of Trump's efforts to establish Barack Obama was literally un-American. But Jackson stopped short of calling Trump a racist. I'm sure Jackson remembers:
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That's a whole lot of work. I'm a New Yorker. What you refer to as "just NY talk" is certainly a part of NYC.... the racist part. You're willing to give him personal cred for hiring blacks? In an era when you'd get your ass shut down if you didn't? With no proof the HE hired any of them?
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Among the long list of character and personality flaws that I see in Trump, racism is very far down the list.

But I respect the fact that others may view this differently.
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It may be far down the list, but that doesn't mean it isn't one of his flaws.
 
newyorkguy said:
I'm not spinning anything; I honestly don't believe Trump is a racist. He may be crude at times, insensitive, an elitist who goes out of his way to dis people, but for me that is more a bombastic New York semi-street style of trash talk than an expression of overt racism. A true racist wouldn't have hired a black accountant in the first place.

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Are some of his best friends black as well?


His racism might be more a product of oblivious white privilege than it is the result of reasoned hate. Fair enough. Perhaps he isn't pure evil. Perhaps it doesn't totally invalidate him as a person. It is still racism though. He presents as an educated, worldly person. At some point, ignorance isn't a justification. I would submit Trump has reached that point.


He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”
I think you could also see this as Trump trying a crude tactic to back the judge -- the judge who is hearing his fraud civil suit -- into a corner.
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You could see it that way, but it is still racist. That it is possible Trump was doing it for effect is totally irrelevant. If anything, it makes it a bit worse.
 
Inside Donald Trump’s One-Stop Parties: Attendees Recall Cocaine and Very Young Models

Trump would “go from room to room,” said the photographer, who added that “I was there to party myself. It was guys with younger girls, sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor” but no smoking. Trump didn’t approve of cigarettes.

Those men at these parties often knew each other. “It’s a small community,” the photographer says. “They exchanged information, facilitated each other. Trump was in and out. He’d wander off with a couple girls. I saw him. He was getting laid like crazy. Trump was at the heart of it. He loved the attention and in private, he was a total *********** beast.”
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The show Adam Ruins Everything was just on. This week's topic was immigration. He slammed the wall and deportation. The show is on TruTV and is repeated in a few hours.

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newyorkguy said:
I understand you don't agree and I appreciate you stating it without resorting to ridicule. ;)

My feeling is, Trump is so lacking in political sophistication, if someone said to him, "Mr Trump do you realize your campaign seems white nationalist oriented to many people?" he honestly wouldn't understand what they were talking about.

I saw a segment from an Oprah Winfrey show -- and one taped not all that long ago -- in which Trump said he was thinking about running for president and suggested Oprah would make a great running mate. That if the two of them ran together they'd have the demographic bases completely covered. What kind of dyed-in-the-wool white racist would suggest a black woman join him in a run for the White House?
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The kind of racist who likes to just BS.
The kind of racist who will say anything to make an audience respond favorably.
The kind of racist who knew he would never have to back up what he was saying.

Not all racists incessantly utter racial epithets whenever a black person is within 30 feet of them. Saying something favorable to Oprah while TV cameras are rolling is not evidence that he is not a racist.

I was going back and forth on the racist thing for the past few pages, but now I am coming down on the side of racist. I will still listen to arguments that he is not a racist, but your last couple of posts do not contain convincing arguments for Trump not being racist.
 
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Tony Stark said:

On Wednesday — just 13 days till the election — Trump is leaving the campaign trail to promote the grand opening of his Washington, DC hotel

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Love the dis-invite to the Trumpistas - private event, not open to the public. "Look, you guys are useful idiots but surely you don't think we allow YOUR kind in our luxury properties? We'll see you out to the barbecue pit later, now leave this to your betters."
 
newyorkguy said:
I saw a segment from an Oprah Winfrey show -- and one taped not all that long ago -- in which Trump said he was thinking about running for president and suggested Oprah would make a great running mate. That if the two of them ran together they'd have the demographic bases completely covered. What kind of dyed-in-the-wool white racist would suggest a black woman join him in a run for the White House?
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Someone who doesn't care enough about black people to make an attempt to appeal to them himself?
 
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