Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

Suddenly said:
The plan is to vote for Trump, and he will keep the current political establishment from causing them to not have jobs. The exact mechanism is not something that is worried about.
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I am guessing that the former steel mill workers might believe that the Democrats made deals with China which gave the Chinese steel makers economic advantages over US steel makers. They might think that Trump is capable of undoing these lopsided deals, thus making US steel economically viable. They might also have followed the Republican Party's incessant drum beat of "we have too many job-killing regulations." These unemployed skilled laborers would then conclude that pulling back on OSHA, MSHA, and the EPA (along with admitting that global warming is not serious) will significantly add to the industry's coming profitability.

I can sympathize with them. So many political and economic leaders praise globalization and gush about how each country involved will be made better. These leaders seldom point out that while each country as a whole is measureably better, very specific segments are measureably worse. And as these unemployed families find themselves more and more dependant on their relatives, their churches, and their communities, it becomes harder and harder for them to move to another state and start a new career.

They are frustrated. Trump offers hope. Even if he is a con artists who seldom delivers on his promises, he is the one acknowledging their pain and disappointment.
 
Yes, not only is Trump the worst person to run as a major party candidate, he has also run the worst campaign in the history of the presidential elections.
 
Spindrift said:
Yes, not only is Trump the worst person to run as a major party candidate, he has also run the worst campaign in the history of the presidential elections.
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Hey, Trump thinks you don't need a ground game, just a twitter account. One of the many reasons, why ,behind closed doors, many in the RNC probably hate Trump's guts just about now.
 
dudalb said:
Hey, Trump thinks you don't need a ground game, just a twitter account. One of the many reasons, why ,behind closed doors, many in the RNC probably hate Trump's guts just about now.
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As a result he is likely to lose by more than the polls suggest.
 
Foolmewunz said:
It's astonishing the bending-over-backwards to give this turd a break. You folks want to argue that Birtherism isn't racist? ...Please spin the following:

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”...
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I'm not spinning anything; I honestly don't believe Trump is a racist. He may be crude at times, insensitive, an elitist who goes out of his way to dis people, but for me that is more a bombastic New York semi-street style of trash talk than an expression of overt racism. A true racist wouldn't have hired a black accountant in the first place. The above is one guy in forty years of public life that accused The Don of talking that way. It could very well be trash talk. There's no question the quote is from someone who was defintely a disgruntled ex-employee.

The fact is Trump praised Obama eight years ago, In fact he said he sympathized with Obama because of the fact, as a black man, to be judged as a 'good' president he will probably have to be a 'great' president.


  • He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”
    I think you could also see this as Trump trying a crude tactic to back the judge -- the judge who is hearing his fraud civil suit -- into a corner.
  • The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people
    I think it was actually, Fred Trump's company, The Don's father. Remember, until the mid-1960s it was legal for a landlord to refuse to rent to minorities.
  • In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career - The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino $200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.
    It says it was managers who did this, not Trump. I would agree, though, Trump certainly knew about it and approved it. But he was trying to make money, accommodate a high roller. My takeaway is, Trump employed black dealers. If the story was, Trump casinos would only employ blacks in low-level non-skilled job, that qualified black people applied for dealer jobs and none were ver hired, that would say racism. They never had a black dealer in a place like Atlantic City with a large African American population. If that were true, then maybe I'd see him as a racist instead of a lout.
  • He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him
    That was just plain stupid! ;)
  • He questions whether President Obama was born in the United States [maybe you are oblivious to the racism of the birther movement]
    See above, at one time he supported Obama. In fact, Trump may well have voted for Obama in 2008.
  • He treats racial groups as monoliths
    He talks that way.
  • He trashed Native Americans, too - In 1993, when Trump wanted to open a casino in Bridgeport, Connecticut, that would compete with one owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Nation, a local Native American tribe, he told the House subcommittee on Native American Affairs that “they don’t look like Indians to me... They don’t look like Indians to Indians.”
    Right, and this was the occasion that prompted the then Governor of Connecticut to call Trump a dirtbag. But the thing with Trump is, he later approached the Native American corporation that owned the casino about serving as their management group. The Native Americans reportedly considered hiring him, too.
  • He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five [maybe you don't think that was frank racism either]
    This one I have to recuse myself on. I saw these kids in action several times when I lived in East Harlem.
  • He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester
    That's not surprising, Trump can be very ignorant and has a macho man style. He once urged his followers to rough up a white protester and turn him out into a New England winter night without his coat.
  • He called supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”
    See above.
  • He stereotyped Jews and shared an anti-Semitic meme created by white supremacists
    Yet his son-in-law, Ivanka's husband, who is helping run his campaign, is Jewish.
  • He treats African-American supporters as tokens to dispel the idea he is racist
    The fact he has African American followers should tell you something.
Trump is an unusual man. This summer Jesse Jackson said Trump's appeal to African Americans to vote for him will "fall on deaf ears." Jackson was very critical of Trump's efforts to establish Barack Obama was literally un-American. But Jackson stopped short of calling Trump a racist. I'm sure Jackson remembers:

Jesse Jackson yesterday [January 15, 1997] announced plans to open an office on Wall Street next month that will bring his brand of capitalism to the epicenter of the world's financial system. Mr. Jackson said his new office would seek to cajole, persuade and pressure American companies to hire and promote more blacks and members of other minorities, name more of them to corporate boards and award more business to companies owned by members of minorities.

Donald J. Trump received an ovation when he announced that he would donate office space to Mr. Jackson's civil rights group, the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, in 40 Wall Street, a 72-story building he is renovating. ''He's out there pushing for a lot of good things,'' said Mr. Trump, who noted that he and Mr. Jackson had become good friends over the years. Link to New York Times article
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That's quite an apology, NYGuy. Seriously, could you have a more absurd position re Trump's racism?
 
Ladewig said:
I am guessing that the former steel mill workers might believe that the Democrats made deals with China which gave the Chinese steel makers economic advantages over US steel makers. They might think that Trump is capable of undoing these lopsided deals, thus making US steel economically viable. They might also have followed the Republican Party's incessant drum beat of "we have too many job-killing regulations." These unemployed skilled laborers would then conclude that pulling back on OSHA, MSHA, and the EPA (along with admitting that global warming is not serious) will significantly add to the industry's coming profitability.

I can sympathize with them. So many political and economic leaders praise globalization and gush about how each country involved will be made better. These leaders seldom point out that while each country as a whole is measureably better, very specific segments are measureably worse. And as these unemployed families find themselves more and more dependant on their relatives, their churches, and their communities, it becomes harder and harder for them to move to another state and start a new career.

They are frustrated. Trump offers hope. Even if he is a con artists who seldom delivers on his promises, he is the one acknowledging their pain and disappointment.
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Pretty much.

That is sort of the platonic form version of the complaints I hear.
 
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