Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

Suddenly said:
I guess Trump's allure seems obvious when you live among economic collapse. I've been in a natural Trump stronghold in another part of WV through this election, so it is difficult for me to imagine how much harder Trump's appeal is to grasp if you live in a place with economic growth.

Even so, I think the popularity of Trump in WV is overblown. The article describes a county that went 69% for Romney. Heavy GOP support in the coalfields isn't a new thing.

Five thirty eight is currently projecting Trump at around 57% of the vote statewide in WV. Romney got 62%. Trump support is more loud than widespread.

WV might be one of Trump's better states, but that isn't complicated at all. Trump says pro coal things, Hillary is fairly seen as anti-coal. Most of West Virginia has a pathological love of the coal industry.

It is the same as to pro-Trump pockets anywhere, whether the industry is coal, steel, or whatever. When the mills close, and/or the mines shut down, and there is little else around, it is hard to overestimate the economic and psychological devastation. My community has become borderline dystopian since Weirton Steel collapsed a bit more than a decade ago. The other major plant in town closes in a few months, so it promises to get worse.

Trump promises to fix this, and I have trouble really faulting people for not seeing that his solutions are nonsense. If you live in this sort of economic hopelessness, Trump being a deplorable jerk is more or less frivolous detail if he carries the promise of restoring the place to its former glory. Heck, if I thought that Trump was actually capable of revitalizing heavy industry and creating good jobs in depressed areas, I'd be tempted to overlook his being completely horrible otherwise. So I can't really judge those who support him for that reason for not having the time, energy, and educational background to see through his nonsense.

The unfortunate thing is that the racism and such is sort of sticking. "Come for the promise of economic relevancy, stay for the bigotry" seems to more or less be the effect. Economic populism doesn't have to include this baggage, but it all too often seems to.

(The overall shift of WV from a mostly Democratic state to a Republican one has nothing to do with Trump. It tracks the collapse of organized labor as as political force.)
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Do the people in the steel town have a plan? Do they think they can make steel just as cheap or just that I should go screw myself and pay more for steel?
 
Armitage72 said:
As an aside, I always hear people complaining about Mexicans and Muslims who won't assimilate. They never seem concerned about the Chinatowns, Koreatowns, Little Italys, Greektowns, etc. in cities all over the country.
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I am. I mean, if I'm concerned about immigrants who don't assimilate, it's not about a group, but about all individuals. One has to be consistent. Though if you think about it, there's a lot of native citizens who don't assimilate. :)
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ion-donald-trump-faces-foreign-donor-fundrai/

Exclusive investigation: Donald Trump faces foreign donor fundraising scandal

Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is facing a fundraising scandal after a Telegraph investigation exposed how key supporters were prepared to accept illicit donations from foreign backers.


Senior figures involved with the Great America PAC, one of the leading "independent" groups organising television advertisements and grassroots support for the Republican nominee, sought to channel $2 million from a Chinese donor into the campaign to elect the billionaire despite laws prohibiting donations from foreigners.
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phiwum said:
Mumbles said:
This is why I generally stick to calling him a white nationalist. This isn't at the "I'm just don't think you're a good fit", or even "Marry my daughter!?", this is "Has shown that his brazen racism has and will inform his policy decisions in a highly negative manner."
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I certainly think that the highlighted is important and relevant, but is that what "white nationalism" means? I recognize that this is just a semantic concern, but surely nationalism requires more than just racist policy decisions?
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Nationalism itself may be informed and inspired by any number of different things, but there is a reason for the descriptive use of "white" as a modifier. (And it helps to remember that this modifier is one chosen by the very people who are described by it.)

"White" Nationalists are informed and inspired in their nationalism by a specific desire to see laws and policies put in place which are preferential to whites of western European descent at the expense of whomever they consider to be a lesser minority group, whether by skin color, religion, heredity or ethnicity. This is the cause which unites and motivates them.

So the short answer to your question is;

"Yes. That is what 'White Nationalism' means. Unequivocally."

As is the long answer, or any other honest one.
 
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dudalb said:
Quite a few media experts are saying that setting up Trump TV might not be as easy as many think. To get into the cable and satellite market in a major way will take a lot of money,and people might not be anxioius to invest given Trump's business record,and a lot of conservatives who might invest will avoid Trump like the plague if he...as seems likely, leads the GOP to diasaster.Oh ,he can get a streaming internet channel started easily enough, but making the jump to cable and satellite will be a lot more difficuly
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I don't think it will be easy. Just ask Oprah. It's all about content and Trump has himself, Rudy G. Newt, Scott Baio, and ? Not exactly A list personalities. I think there is a strong probability that it doesn't last a year. That's a very crowded market.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't think it will be easy. Just ask Oprah. It's all about content and Trump has himself, Rudy G. Newt, Scott Baio, and ? Not exactly A list personalities. I think there is a strong probability that it doesn't last a year. That's a very crowded market.
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It doesn't even need to last that long for Trump to take the investor funds and funnel them into his own businesses and accounts. I suspect he'll be able to sign Palin and Coulter, possibly giving them both their own talk shows.

Personally I kinda want to see an episode of a talk show starring Ann Coulter. She would be the mirror-universe version of Ellen. I'd also love to see if she has the wellspring of evil needed to maintain her persona for an entire hour of television every weekday.
 
quadraginta said:
Nationalism itself may be informed and inspired by any number of different things, but there is a reason for the descriptive use of "white" as a modifier. (And it helps to remember that this modifier is one chosen by the very people who are described by it.)

"White" Nationalists are informed and inspired in their nationalism by a specific desire to see laws and policies put in place which are preferential to whites of western European descent at the expense of whomever they consider to be a lesser minority group, whether by skin color, religion, heredity or ethnicity. This is the cause which unites and motivates them.

So the short answer to your question is;

"Yes. That is what 'White Nationalism' means. Unequivocally."

As is the long answer, or any other honest one.
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It wasn't the "white" part I was interested in.

I always thought that a white nationalist wanted more restrictive laws about citizenship or separation of the races, but it seems that the WP entry on white nationalism has a definition broad enough to include Mumbles's usage, so I'll accept his terminology and your response without argument.

Thanks.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't think it will be easy. Just ask Oprah. It's all about content and Trump has himself, Rudy G. Newt, Scott Baio, and ? Not exactly A list personalities. I think there is a strong probability that it doesn't last a year. That's a very crowded market.
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One factor is that the relationship between Ailes and Trump has apparently soured.....with Ailes horrified at how badly the Trump campaign has been ran, and doubting that Trump could successfully run a TV network. (All of Donald's shows were produced by other people;he was not involved in the nuts and bolts day to day production of them).
 
dudalb said:
One factor is that the relationship between Ailes and Trump has apparently soured.....with Ailes horrified at how badly the Trump campaign has been ran, and doubting that Trump could successfully run a TV network. (All of Donald's shows were produced by other people;he was not involved in the nuts and bolts day to day production of them).
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The other factor there is that Ailes had a limited role in due to Bannon's increased influence in the campaign. The two men are very types of far right ideologues and only one was going to win out.
 
It's beginning to look like KA Conway is a better propagandist than Karl Rove.

She spits out CT's about the email investgation, Steve Kornachi calls her on it and she sidesteps, he shows a Tweet from Trump which is blatantly false, she sidesteps to, "I don't know, you have to ask him," then she slips back into Trump's getting unfair coverage...

She's the epitome of jello nailed to a wall.
 
Suddenly said:
The unfortunate thing is that the racism and such is sort of sticking. "Come for the promise of economic relevancy, stay for the bigotry" seems to more or less be the effect. Economic populism doesn't have to include this baggage, but it all too often seems to.
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All too often racists use economic populism as a mule to load their baggage on.
 
phiwum said:
I always thought that a white nationalist wanted more restrictive laws about citizenship or separation of the races, but it seems that the WP entry on white nationalism has a definition broad enough to include Mumbles's usage, so I'll accept his terminology and your response without argument.
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White nationalism is generally trans-national - its the White (or sometimes Aryan) Nation they're fixated on.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Do the people in the steel town have a plan? Do they think they can make steel just as cheap or just that I should go screw myself and pay more for steel?
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The plan is to vote for Trump, and he will keep the current political establishment from causing them to not have jobs. The exact mechanism is not something that is worried about.
 
phiwum said:
It wasn't the "white" part I was interested in.

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Yeah. I could see that.

That's why I was trying to explain to you that it is the "white" part that is important in that term. It is the descriptor which sets it off from other motives for nationalism.

You wanted to disregard the part that makes all the difference.
 
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dudalb said:
Alex Jones offers a intelligent,well argued,logical, fact based reason for Voting for Trump

IF WE DON"T WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.
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Maybe I've been misinformed. I thought everyone knew that already? So if I vote for Trump I can live forever?
 
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