Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VII

Skeptic Ginger said:
Is this a concession, there is evidence Trump is racist, or just a moved goal post? Are you seriously claiming Trump was a racist but there's no evidence he still is?
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I read it as "It's only an issue if you consider racism to be a pivot issue". I suppose this is true but then again I'd hope that a candidate being a racist would be a negative attribute for most people (though I fear that many Trump supporters consider it to be a positive attribute).
 
The Don said:
I read it as "It's only an issue if you consider racism to be a pivot issue". I suppose this is true but then again I'd hope that a candidate being a racist would be a negative attribute for most people (though I fear that many Trump supporters consider it to be a positive attribute).
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This is why I generally stick to calling him a white nationalist. This isn't at the "I'm just don't think you're a good fit", or even "Marry my daughter!?", this is "Has shown that his brazen racism has and will inform his policy decisions in a highly negative manner."
 
Mumbles said:
This is why I generally stick to calling him a white nationalist. This isn't at the "I'm just don't think you're a good fit", or even "Marry my daughter!?", this is "Has shown that his brazen racism has and will inform his policy decisions in a highly negative manner."
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I certainly think that the highlighted is important and relevant, but is that what "white nationalism" means? I recognize that this is just a semantic concern, but surely nationalism requires more than just racist policy decisions?
 
To me, the most convincing evidence that Trump is a racist is that known racists like David Duke seem to identify him as one of their own. Takes one to know one, and all that.
 
Stacko said:
He's in his own fantasy land. Requesting oversampling in internal polls, in 2008, is not making up polls. It's ensuring you get a larger sample of minority populations that one or two outliers doesn't throw your numbers off like what happened to the USC tracking poll. If only there was someone on Trump's staff who could explain this to him.
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Yeah he in Hitler's Bunker mode now...this is his equivalent of ordering non existent armies to attack to relieve Berlin....I fully expect to hear "Where is Wenck? Where is Steiner" anyday now from Trump Tower.
And, like Hitler,he seems intent on dragging down as many of the "Traitors" with him as possible....in this case Republicans in Congress.
 
dudalb said:
Yeah he in Hitler's Bunker mode now...this is his equivalent of ordering non existent armies to attack to relieve Berlin....I fully expect to hear "Where is Wenck? Where is Steiner" anyday now from Trump Tower.
And, like Hitler,he seems intent on dragging down as many of the "Traitors" with him as possible....in this case Republicans in Congress.
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Thanks much! That is an excellent analogy.

Just this morning I heard on NPR how Trump hates Republicans more than just about anyone else.
 
Trebuchet said:
To me, the most convincing evidence that Trump is a racist is that known racists like David Duke seem to identify him as one of their own. Takes one to know one, and all that.
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It's also fairly irrelevant to me. Either he believes in racist ideas, which is despicable, or he doesn't but is happy to espouse racist ideas for short-term gain, which might actually be worse.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Please spin the following:

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”
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Black guys, ya know the ones with a black mark next to their names. Prolly for stealing. That's why I don't want them counting my money.

See, that's the black guys I'm talkin' 'bout. /Drumpf
 
Stacko said:
Why? He thoroughly embarrassed himself three times already. If there was a fourth scheduled, it should be called off due to a mercy rule.
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Not according to Don the Con. He says he won all three. Whether he believes that is a different matter. But in public, he's a winner who just wants to finish that crone off.
 
Foolmewunz said:
They should play him like a fish (orange roughy). Hillary should send a Tweet..... "Elizabeth Warren is in charge of our end-game schedule. Please apply to her."
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That's a good idea, Mr. Trump. But I'm just jammed until mid-November, but just to show I'm a good sport, I've convinced Ms. Warren to stand in my place. I'm sure you'll be delighted to meet her and have a most engaging debate.
 
Babbylonian said:
The quote serves up one of the primary reasons I could never support Trump even if he was running as a super-liberal Democrat: The man can't completely express a thought. He starts back-tracking and clarifying what was said in the previous couple of sentences. I'm convinced it's because he hasn't read anything longer or more detailed than a note card since at least well before the primaries high school.
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FTFY :)
 
SezMe said:
That's a good idea, Mr. Trump. But I'm just jammed until mid-November, but just to show I'm a good sport, I've convinced Ms. Warren to stand in my place. I'm sure you'll be delighted to meet her and have a most engaging debate.
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And when he accepts, Warren can go Al Smith Dinner on him and say, "Sorry, I have to prepare succotash for tribe's Thanksgiving. Rgds, Pocahontas...... You've been Rick Rolled. Loser!"
 
SezMe said:
That's a good idea, Mr. Trump. But I'm just jammed until mid-November, but just to show I'm a good sport, I've convinced Ms. Warren to stand in my place. I'm sure you'll be delighted to meet her and have a most engaging debate.
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Now that is a debate I'd love to watch. Warren would crush the Donald.
 
newyorkguy said:
I think defining Trump voters is a good deal more complicated then just labeling them racist or okay with racism. In fact, as much as I dislike the idea of Trump serving as president, and as damaging as I think his campaign has been, I'm not sure I really understand the charge he is an overt racist.

It's complicated. Consider Rick Abraham, a second generation Arab/American, who is Muslim, who plans to vote for Trump. He lives in West Virginia, which used to be solidly Democratic but is now a state Trump is expected to carry. Abraham's a Republican (who voted for Obama) and this time around his first choice was Carly Fiorina, but as he realized how little support she was garnering he switched to Ben Carson. Now he not only supports Trump, he has a huge "Hillary for Prison" display on his store. It's very popular and people often stop and take selfies in front of it:


As for Trump's more extreme positions Abraham had no problem with it:


Abraham also worries about immigrants -- especially Muslim -- who do not want to assimilate. That it's okay to value your heritage and honor it, but you still have to want to be an American, become an American.
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I guess Trump's allure seems obvious when you live among economic collapse. I've been in a natural Trump stronghold in another part of WV through this election, so it is difficult for me to imagine how much harder Trump's appeal is to grasp if you live in a place with economic growth.

Even so, I think the popularity of Trump in WV is overblown. The article describes a county that went 69% for Romney. Heavy GOP support in the coalfields isn't a new thing.

Five thirty eight is currently projecting Trump at around 57% of the vote statewide in WV. Romney got 62%. Trump support is more loud than widespread.

WV might be one of Trump's better states, but that isn't complicated at all. Trump says pro coal things, Hillary is fairly seen as anti-coal. Most of West Virginia has a pathological love of the coal industry.

It is the same as to pro-Trump pockets anywhere, whether the industry is coal, steel, or whatever. When the mills close, and/or the mines shut down, and there is little else around, it is hard to overestimate the economic and psychological devastation. My community has become borderline dystopian since Weirton Steel collapsed a bit more than a decade ago. The other major plant in town closes in a few months, so it promises to get worse.

Trump promises to fix this, and I have trouble really faulting people for not seeing that his solutions are nonsense. If you live in this sort of economic hopelessness, Trump being a deplorable jerk is more or less frivolous detail if he carries the promise of restoring the place to its former glory. Heck, if I thought that Trump was actually capable of revitalizing heavy industry and creating good jobs in depressed areas, I'd be tempted to overlook his being completely horrible otherwise. So I can't really judge those who support him for that reason for not having the time, energy, and educational background to see through his nonsense.

The unfortunate thing is that the racism and such is sort of sticking. "Come for the promise of economic relevancy, stay for the bigotry" seems to more or less be the effect. Economic populism doesn't have to include this baggage, but it all too often seems to.

(The overall shift of WV from a mostly Democratic state to a Republican one has nothing to do with Trump. It tracks the collapse of organized labor as as political force.)
 
acbytesla said:
I must say that watching the pundits talking about Trump on TV is like the "bring out your dead" scene in Monty Python. https://youtu.be/GU0d8kpybVg
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Quite a few media experts are saying that setting up Trump TV might not be as easy as many think. To get into the cable and satellite market in a major way will take a lot of money,and people might not be anxioius to invest given Trump's business record,and a lot of conservatives who might invest will avoid Trump like the plague if he...as seems likely, leads the GOP to diasaster.Oh ,he can get a streaming internet channel started easily enough, but making the jump to cable and satellite will be a lot more difficuly
 
SezMe said:
Black guys, ya know the ones with a black mark next to their names. Prolly for stealing. That's why I don't want them counting my money.

See, that's the black guys I'm talkin' 'bout. /Drumpf
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He manages to insult two ethinic groups in one rant. Nice.
 
newyorkguy said:
Abraham also worries about immigrants -- especially Muslim -- who do not want to assimilate. That it's okay to value your heritage and honor it, but you still have to want to be an American, become an American.
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As an aside, I always hear people complaining about Mexicans and Muslims who won't assimilate. They never seem concerned about the Chinatowns, Koreatowns, Little Italys, Greektowns, etc. in cities all over the country.
They need to either demand that everyone completely assimilate or admit that it isn't really about assimilation.
 
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