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Split Thread Signs of the End Times
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That is just about the response that I expected.
halleyscomet
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Why do you keep throwing Bible quotes at this thread when most the people here don't think it's the word of God?
Quoting a book your opposition thinks is fiction isn't the way to sway anyone.
You are a singularly inept evangelist. Any "god" that chooses such an incompetent messenger with such a shoddy, piss-poor grasp of debate tactics is, frankly, too stupid to be worth worshiping. It's like watching a 10 Commandments remake staring Rowan Atkinson as Mr. Moses Bean, only with far less charm and charisma.
It's clear whatever "god" you worship is as inept, stupid and worthless as the version of the "Illuminati" Kyoon is always slavering about. Thankfully for Christendom at large, the "god" you worship has no real connection to the Bible or the deity of any mainstream denomination or sect. I suppose that's why the pastors you've spoken to have rejected your mangled interpretation of scripture. They see nothing of "Christ" in your "Christianity."
That's probably another reason his "message" has been rejected by everyone around him. The man is so bad at predictions he could "prophesy" the temperature will go up after the sun rises and find the temperature drop 20 degrees because of a massive winter storm front barreling in. If he were a weather man he'd ave been lynched by and outraged and furious populace by now.
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Border Reiver
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Unless of course you accept Paul's teachings - at 1 Corinthians, Chapter 7 he enjoins people to refrain from sex completely, and only to marry if they cannot control themselves.
Paul's teachings are not based on the idea that "sanctified marriage" is cardinal, his teaching is that rigid obedience to the word of God, as interpreted by Paul, is the most important thing.
halleyscomet
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That question has been asked before.
He has no followers. Not even his wife believes him, assuming she's still alive.
He had a lovely little rant about the pastors who rejected his "message" being corrupt.
He is alone. His evangelism efforts in meatspace have been just as effective as his evangelism efforts in cyberspace.
I consider this to be a VERY good thing. Given his enthusiastic endorsement of genocide and his implication it should be carried out against the Blacks in South Africa, I suspect any following he formed would start race riots very, very quickly. Thanks be to whatever deity may exist that he's too cowardly to act on his convictions by himself and too devoid of charisma or speaking skill to gather followers who would.
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JayUtah
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That there is nothing at all charitable about your approach.
Yes, I do. You're the one who complains about being rejected by all of them. You're the outsider. You are utterly alone in your warped view of Christianity. This thread demonstrates why.
That's not what I said. I said you obsess over punishment.
Paul Bethke
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Now Sir, is it not you who does not understand—the Messiah Jesus spoke more of eternal punishment than did anyone else—to warn people of the impending destination that awaits those who blaspheme and refuse to repent is a charitable act!! –So should I not do the same?
No again you are mistaken about your analysis of my situation—I do not complain, for there is nothing to complain about—rather I am disturbed that the so called Churches are not fulfilling their agendas, and preaching what the Head of his Church Jesus proclaimed.
My Gospel is nor warped, it is as Jesus and his disciples preached.
Yes that is true—for there is no way that I would find it pleasant for people to end up where there is eternal darkness without any light.
Again was is not Jesus who advocated this punishment—yet it is stated to prevent people from this terrible end that the Creator devised a way for man to avoid this hell?
Paul Bethke
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Well I am not speaking about the END, but rather the BEGINNING of the inauguration of the Kingdom of God, and yes an END to sin.
Craig4
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Yawn...that's what they all say. You're no different than everyone else predicting the end of days. Sorry, absent your proof (which you've failed at) nothing you say really matters.
Paul Bethke
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Yes Paul insists on a sanctified marriage otherwise he would be condoning adultery which the Saviour that he represented condemned.
Adultery is the sin that destroys the lives of people so it would be cardinal in the acceptance of anyone who wanted to repent.
Many of the Apostles were married—and so to those who were married he advocated purity in marriage. (Heb 13:4 Marriage should be honoured by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. )
1Co 7:27 Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife.
1Co 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
The previous chapter outlines those who will be destined to hell if they do not repent—
1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1Co 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the Kingdom of God.
So if a person decides to stay single in order to be more dedicated that is well, and if married people are as dedicated that is also well.
Paul Bethke
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So you are not disappointed then are you?
Craig4
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Show a god exists, that your god is somehow connected to your book and that said god has authority to govern. Until you do that, you might as well be quoting a Grimm's Fairy Tale to us.
JayUtah
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Of course I do, and the more I let you rant the more apparent that becomes. You tell me I don't understand, then you just repeat the claims I accused you of making. Then you whine about how everyone rejects you and how they'll all get theirs in the end.
You have a very sick and twisted approach to religion, and I need no more evidence than your own statements.
halleyscomet
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Say Paul, did you prophesy a heat wave for New England to start today? I ask because the temperature plummeted shortly before lunch, and with your track record I figured you might have predicted a scorching heat wave.
He's sort of the theological equivalent of Donald Trump in that regard.
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Which of Jesus' 12 apostles were married?
If you actually read Paul's words, he's saying that it is best if Christians do not have sex and do not marry, as the physical detracts from a real Christian's total subservience to God. But if you can't control your base urges, then you should marry
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Pixel42
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Don't forget that Paul believed that the day of judgement was imminent, so there was no need to produce children to perpetuate his religion.
Paul Bethke
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I do not know how many—but it is clear that Peter for one was married, there is implication that there were more---1Cor_9:5 Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas?
So Paul is not saying that people should not marry—but it would be better if they did not, as it would spare them grief in the time of tribulation—but if they do marry it is also alright.
Then what about those who are married and come to the faith?
To have sex is to marry—so that marriage must be sanctified. What you must keep in mind when reading the letters of Paul the Apostle, is that he would in no way contradict the teachings of Jesus who appointed him as an Apostle.
So when a man chooses a bride that bride must be a virgin, or else it would be adultery.
1Co_7:38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.
Paul Bethke
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O you deluded fella that cannot understand that God is giving you a chance to repent—and if you do not, you will go to hell.
So that is what is presented in the Scriptures. So how can my approach be twisted by what I present from the Scriptures?
I am not whining from those who reject the truth that I promulgate, I am quite pleased by the exposure of those who reject my Gospel as truth.
If I were to exclude preaching about hell, I would not be preaching the same Gospel of Jesus and his disciples.
So the conclusion of the matter ENDS like this---Rev 20:15 If anyone's name was not found written in the Book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
So I hope one day you will come to your senses and repent, and have your name written in the Book of life.
abaddon
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See Matt 8:14.
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