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asydhouse said:
Oops! :o

I have never actually listened to Def Leppard, but since they arose around the time of the Second Wave of British Heavy Metal (or was it the Third?!) I always assumed they were part of it, since their name was an obvious rip off of Led Zeppelin (or so I assumed, again!).

Frankly I got bored quickly with the Second Wave bands, and was always more into psychedelic rockers like Steve Hillage, and Gong, and Hawkwind, after getting my start in the 60s with Zeppelin and Hendrix etc (I hesitate to drop an "etc" straight after Hendrix! But you know what I mean…)

I'm into modern electronic dance music this last two decades, loving live dancing to big sound systems pumping out the energy of Psytrance! Surrounded by fluffy crowds of lovely psychedelic young people, glowing in the dark! ;):p

Anyway, thanks for your comment. :blush: Always nice to know you're appreciated!

As to the rest of your confusion, I can't help you there. I found myself skating over the surface of that post like an aquaplaning car failing to find grip with the roadway.
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I'm with you all the way on the musical tastes. Nice one.

Like you. I'm still waiting for some clarifiaction about the whoel Cosmic Yak vs Def Leppard thing. Very puzzling....
 
Paul Bethke said:
Love for my black neighbours as you say, would be to warn them of the error of theirs ways, in trying to communicate with the dead, a thing that Yahweh hates. Love is to bring the truth to the attention of those who need to repent—not to warn people of hell is a sin.
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No love, as in your definition is forgiveness, patience and kindness. Plus not bearing a grudge against a people, which you obviously do. None of what you have said there is backed up by the Biblical quotes you provided. You just made that up.
Paul Bethke said:
Most definitely—that would have resulted in him having to re access his stance.
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And neither you, in all your loving kindness, nor your god, in all his loving kindness, and to whom you claim to have a direct line, could think of any other way to make him rethink his stance, as you put it, than by inflicting him with a permanent disability?

Paul Bethke said:
I do not delight as you say-- delight in the terror, pain and anguish of others is evil.
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Yet you said it would be funny. Sounds like delight to me.
In fact, I'm beginning to rethink the idea of trusting you to save my immortal soul. From what you've said, you may just allow me to be damned so you can find my terror and anguish funny.
How's that indisputable proof coming on? It's gone very quiet your end. I'm here, all eager to be saved and everything. Just provide the proof- you have already outlined two incontrovertible sources of proof, as stated in the book you so revere. It should be easy. Why are you holding back? Do you not love me as your neighbour?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
No love, as in your definition is forgiveness, patience and kindness. Plus not bearing a grudge against a people, which you obviously do. None of what you have said there is backed up by the Biblical quotes you provided. You just made that up.


And neither you, in all your loving kindness, nor your god, in all his loving kindness, and to whom you claim to have a direct line, could think of any other way to make him rethink his stance, as you put it, than by inflicting him with a permanent disability?


Yet you said it would be funny. Sounds like delight to me.
In fact, I'm beginning to rethink the idea of trusting you to save my immortal soul. From what you've said, you may just allow me to be damned so you can find my terror and anguish funny.
How's that indisputable proof coming on? It's gone very quiet your end. I'm here, all eager to be saved and everything. Just provide the proof- you have already outlined two incontrovertible sources of proof, as stated in the book you so revere. It should be easy. Why are you holding back? Do you not love me as your neighbour?
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Were it to happen—Randi would not remain blind, on the contrary his sight would be restored as good as 20/20.

I do not bear a grudge against the blacks as You say, again on the contrary they can become good people as anyone else who repents.

You like the others read into what I say and twist the simple answer.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Yes it must be kept very simple for all to understand—at least you have been told beforehand what the END will be for those who blaspheme!
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So you didn't catch the sarcasm in my statement at all. I guess my point is made for me.

You are obsessed with the punitive aspects of the Christian faith. You give lip service to the kinder doctrines, but you manage to turn them around and express them all in fire, brimstone, and eternal damnation. Have you considered that this obsessive doomsaying is why Christians reject you?
 
Paul Bethke said:
Love for my black neighbours as you say, would be to warn them of the error of theirs ways, in trying to communicate with the dead, a thing that Yahweh hates. Love is to bring the truth to the attention of those who need to repent—not to warn people of hell is a sin.

Most definitely—that would have resulted in him having to re access his stance.

To warn people of the outcome of coming in contact with the Presence of a holy God—will result in such anguish.


I do not delight as you say-- delight in the terror, pain and anguish of others is evil.
Jesus used the same language to demonstrate what will be the outcome of those who do not repent.
Luke_16:23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Mar_9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out,

Informing people of what awaits them if they do not repent is love for that person—not informing people is hatred.

When the Kingdom of God is established there will be no need for prophecies.
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You really should do yourself a favor and get some help.
 
Craig4 said:
Or god is just a dick. Or, you just made all this up and found some quotes to support your ideas.
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The quotes are extracts from the Scriptures well documented for all people ,even you to read .
As is this---2Peter_2:17 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.

Matt_18:8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

So you have blackest darkness OR eternal fire.
 
Paul Bethke said:
The quotes are extracts from the Scriptures well documented for all people ,even you to read .
As is this---2Peter_2:17 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.
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2 Peter has problems about the last days. It's quite a late NT book, and people were already asking, why hasn't the Lord come back yet? (They're asking that even louder now, by the way!) 2 Peter relates their complaint.
2 Peter:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 “Where is the promise of His coming? they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”​
Nowadays these scoffers have even more to complain about. What is the response now? Keep waiting, and if you don't believe what we tell you, you will roast in Hell. I'm not convinced.

ETA The author of 2 Peter describes his own times (early second century) as "these last days". He was magnificently wrong about that, wasn't he? And the "scoffers" had plenty to scoff about, as we have learned in the nineteen hundred years that have elapsed since these alleged "last days".
 
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JayUtah said:
So you didn't catch the sarcasm in my statement at all. I guess my point is made for me.
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What is your point?

You are obsessed with the punitive aspects of the Christian faith. You give lip service to the kinder doctrines, but you manage to turn them around and express them all in fire, brimstone, and eternal damnation. Have you considered that this obsessive doomsaying is why Christians reject you?
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You do not seem to know what a Christian is—true believers will not reject the truth—those who do are not Christians—how many so called Christians reject the teachings of Jesus?
There are 40 k denominations—not one of them adhere to all the aspects of the faith.
Repent or perish is what the Messiah preached—so when you reject the goodness of God, you naturally choose damnation. Luke 13:3

2Peter_3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

There is nothing punitive that is required to enter into the faith---but sanctified marriage still remains cardinal.
 
Paul Bethke said:
The quotes are extracts from the Scriptures well documented for all people ,even you to read .
As is this---2Peter_2:17 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.

Matt_18:8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

So you have blackest darkness OR eternal fire.
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But you can't tie the scriptures to a supernatural entity. You can't even prove such an entity exists. You also can't formulate a coherent argument as to why anyone is obligated to follow the commands of such an entity should one exist.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Thanks for the advice--but as I said before, I am perfectly sane, without any trace of aberration.

It is you who will need the help!!
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Grass. World Cup. Failure. So yeah, you should seek help. You've drawn the wrong conclusion from your failure. You misread nothing; you just had delusions regarding who you are.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Were it to happen—Randi would not remain blind, on the contrary his sight would be restored as good as 20/20.
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But it's still a horrible thing to do to someone. How is this threatened physical attack on an old man an act of love? This is not kind, or patient, or forgiving, or any of the other qualities of love as defined in the Bible, whihc you quoted.

Paul Bethke said:
I do not bear a grudge against the blacks as You say, again on the contrary they can become good people as anyone else who repents.
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"I don't bear a grudge against blacks, but they are all bad".
Paul Bethke said:
You like the others read into what I say and twist the simple answer.
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If they can become good, then they are not good now. I have not twisted anything in your answer: it's right there.
 
Paul Bethke said:
The quotes are extracts from the Scriptures well documented for all people ,even you to read .
As is this---2Peter_2:17 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.

Matt_18:8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.
So you have blackest darkness OR eternal fire.
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So where are the empty graves?
 
Paul Bethke said:
Thanks for the advice--but as I said before, I am perfectly sane, without any trace of aberration.

It is you who will need the help!!
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Forgive me if this has been asked before, but does anyone else besides you believe that you are the prophet of your god? Do you have followers?

I ask this because, if you believe that everyone else in the world is mentally unbalanced, and you are the only sane person out of 7 billion people, I would suggest that this stance is somewhat flawed.
 
Paul, I realize you've been busy - moving goalposts, dodging questions, etc but when you've got a minute perhaps you can explain why the year 5777 is super significant to your end times, while 777, 1777, 2777, 3777, and 4777 weren't.

And of course, why an allegedly all-powerful being is constrained either by numerology or the need to act through only certain people.
 
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