2016 Presidential Debate III

[marplots]

I'm using the term in a generic, non-technical nonspecific manner, but the AUTODIN mailroom was a customer service job.

Would you prefer sender and receiver? Those are both incorrect, give that the sending and receiving stations were separate entities from the message generation and consumption entities. Messages crossing my desk ranged from routine personnel matters to war plans for bombing Libya (cancelled, after a mysterious fire in the chemical plant) that included 10-digit grid coordinates for every single SAM site in the country.

I suppose it's only fair to pick one's own jargon. My wife works at a major chemical outfit and they refer to their divisions as "businesses." When one part of the corporation does something for another part, they are "servicing clients."

Yeah, I would have thought "sender and receiver" captured the situation. Even "generation" and "consumption" strikes me as unnecessary obfuscation.

Since we are talking about the Presidential debate, it would have been cool to have asked a question in the current , jargon-laden bureaucratic patois and see which candidate could translate it into common English. Hands down Hillary wins that one.

ETA: Now I have this scenario where someone is on trial for treason.

"Oh no, I wasn't selling secrets to North Korea, I was expanding our department's customer base into a higher revenue sector of the market."

 

[Loss Leader]

It would have been great if the sole question to Donald Trump was, "Give us your thoughts on the 7th Amendment." Then everybody just sits back and waits for him to explode.

 

[Tony Stark]

It would have been great if the sole question to Donald Trump was, "Give us your thoughts on the 7th Amendment." Then everybody just sits back and waits for him to explode.

That would have been amazing. I would bet anything that he has absolutely no idea even though he has been involved in many lawsuits.

 

[Loss Leader]

That would have been amazing. I would bet anything that he has absolutely no idea even though he has been involved in many lawsuits.

And then they'd turn to Clinton, and she would talk for 10 minutes about how much of an honor it is to sit on a jury and how she's reminded of her working class father who was once on a jury ...

 

[Meadmaker]

He actually made fun of himself. He said something about the media being biased because Michelle Obama gave this speech and everybody loves her, then his wife gives the exact same speech and they hate her.

It's interesting. I spent a lot of time in my car today, so I heard several news stories about the Al Smith dinner, and not one of them mentioned the joke you cited above. It was better than any of the jokes that they did bring up. Several commentators specifically said that there was no self-deprecating humor which was what was supposed to be a hallmark of the event, and yet, there it is.


I still don't like Trump, and don't want to give him command of an army, but sometimes I'm sympathetic to claims about media bias.

 

[Jim_MDP]

It's interesting. I spent a lot of time in my car today, so I heard several news stories about the Al Smith dinner, and not one of them mentioned the joke you cited above. It was better than any of the jokes that they did bring up. Several commentators specifically said that there was no self-deprecating humor which was what was supposed to be a hallmark of the event, and yet, there it is.

It was the closest he got to self-deprecating.

The problem was... it wasn't "self-deprecating", as is the tradition at that event, but rather a dig at his wife plagiarizing Michelle's speech... and the joke was plagiarized.

And we have a good thread going just for the Al Smith Dinner...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=313090

 

[varwoche]

It's interesting. I spent a lot of time in my car today, so I heard several news stories about the Al Smith dinner, and not one of them mentioned the joke you cited above. It was better than any of the jokes that they did bring up. Several commentators specifically said that there was no self-deprecating humor which was what was supposed to be a hallmark of the event, and yet, there it is.


I still don't like Trump, and don't want to give him command of an army, but sometimes I'm sympathetic to claims about media bias.

That joke wasn't self deprecating. He deprecated Melania. He's incapable of self-deprecation.

Not to mention, he stole the joke -- see thread about the event.

Add: ninja'ed on every point!

 

[jimbob]

It's interesting. I spent a lot of time in my car today, so I heard several news stories about the Al Smith dinner, and not one of them mentioned the joke you cited above. It was better than any of the jokes that they did bring up. Several commentators specifically said that there was no self-deprecating humor which was what was supposed to be a hallmark of the event, and yet, there it is.


I still don't like Trump, and don't want to give him command of an army, but sometimes I'm sympathetic to claims about media bias.

I am not, he had a free ride for a long time, getting far less scrutiny than Clinton - it's just that now his ability to attract media attention has become a liability for him. Sometime between the first and second debates, I said that his Teflon had become Velcro. Now everything sticks to him, not because of bias, but because he's made himself such a story and offended so many people. He passed a tipping point as far as coverage is concerned, and it was his own doing.

 

[quadraginta]

It's interesting. I spent a lot of time in my car today, so I heard several news stories about the Al Smith dinner, and not one of them mentioned the joke you cited above. It was better than any of the jokes that they did bring up. Several commentators specifically said that there was no self-deprecating humor which was what was supposed to be a hallmark of the event, and yet, there it is.


I still don't like Trump, and don't want to give him command of an army, but sometimes I'm sympathetic to claims about media bias.

Were any of the stations you listened to on public radio?

'Cause I believe they got it in a few times on different programs.

Definitely got airtime on the cable news networks.

Maybe not all that biased after all.

 

[catsmate]

To some the additional risk acceptable is infinite.

So no answer then.

 

[acbytesla]

True, but this is at a low point in Trump's numbers. It's likely that over the next three weeks they will recover enough and/or the GOP will direct their effort into the down-ticket races in order to pull back the position enough to retain control over the Senate.

Democratic Party optimism over getting back control of the Senate, and possibly even the House, is IMO over-inflated based on the current state of the game. IMO it'll be a lot closer on the night, especially in the Senate and House contests.

It could just as easily be far worse for the GOP than it currently is. I can imagine two more scenarios. The first is Trump continues his battle on all fronts splitting the GOP against himself. The second is Trump seeing the writing on the wall goes in to a funk and Republican voters don't turn out. It matters little how well he polls before the election if his supporters don't vote

I was extra concerned that anti-Trump voters might not turn out assuming Trump would lose but now believe that Trump's suggestions that he would question the outcome will help keep Hillary voters motivated..

 

[Meadmaker]

Were any of the stations you listened to on public radio?

Yes. WDET. They included several examples of both Hillary and Donald jokes. Not that one, and they bemoaned the lack of self deprecating humor.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Yes. WDET. They included several examples of both Hillary and Donald jokes. Not that one, and they bemoaned the lack of self deprecating humor.

Self-deprecation requires the ability to carry off sarcasm. It's a delicate method and if it doesn't come naturally to you, you wind up looking mean and ugly. Hillary, I have a feeling from her debate performances, is naturally sarcastic. Someone should ask Bill in an interview; I'll bet he says "yes".

Trump can't act to save his ass, so trying to pull off sarcasm when it's not natural to him, made him look like an Orange Meanie. He's more into farce and slapstick. "Haw haw, you see that guy twitching? He was all like,...." When he thinks he's funny, it doesn't escape anyone with an IQ over 80 (78 being required for barking, I believe) that his humor is 1970s Preppie I'm Okay You're A *********** Loser humor - as patented by Chevy Chase.

Hillary got off some borderline pointed jabs. It's not a requirement that EVERY line be self-deprecating. It's a requirement that you get in enough of them, though, that the audience sees you making fun of yourself while you're picking on that social leper Rudy Giuliani. You can't come out and start tearing into the opposition. But once you've established that you're willing to pick on your own foibles, everything's game.

I'm not sure I heard "Booooo!" so much as "Oooooh, with a bit of grumbling and cross-chat." As I said, though, Donald got a similar response if he'd just stopped at "She said, "Pardon me." " The crowd wasn't booing, they were doing the NYC sitting-on-the-front-stoop slamming (or what used to be referred to as "wolf ticket-ing") reaction. When he continued, driving home and over-explaining his perhaps tacky joke to a sophisticated audience, they turned on him. Don't insult the intelligence of the audience. Any comic can tell you that.

 

[Meadmaker]

Self-deprecation requires the ability to carry off sarcasm. It's a delicate method and if it doesn't come naturally to you, you wind up looking mean and ugly. Hillary, I have a feeling from her debate performances, is naturally sarcastic. Someone should ask Bill in an interview; I'll bet he says "yes".

Trump can't act to save his ass, so trying to pull off sarcasm when it's not natural to him, made him look like an Orange Meanie. He's more into farce and slapstick. "Haw haw, you see that guy twitching? He was all like,...." When he thinks he's funny, it doesn't escape anyone with an IQ over 80 (78 being required for barking, I believe) that his humor is 1970s Preppie I'm Okay You're A *********** Loser humor - as patented by Chevy Chase.

Hillary got off some borderline pointed jabs. It's not a requirement that EVERY line be self-deprecating. It's a requirement that you get in enough of them, though, that the audience sees you making fun of yourself while you're picking on that social leper Rudy Giuliani. You can't come out and start tearing into the opposition. But once you've established that you're willing to pick on your own foibles, everything's game.

I'm not sure I heard "Booooo!" so much as "Oooooh, with a bit of grumbling and cross-chat." As I said, though, Donald got a similar response if he'd just stopped at "She said, "Pardon me." " The crowd wasn't booing, they were doing the NYC sitting-on-the-front-stoop slamming (or what used to be referred to as "wolf ticket-ing") reaction. When he continued, driving home and over-explaining his perhaps tacky joke to a sophisticated audience, they turned on him. Don't insult the intelligence of the audience. Any comic can tell you that.

The jokes I heard him tell possibly could have been pulled off by someone with better comedic sense. Because he had none, some people didn't even realize he was trying to make jokes.

But, amplifying on what you said, I doubt that he appreciates refined humor. I think, "Look at that loser!" is his style of joke.

 

[Ladewig]

It would have been great if the sole question to Donald Trump was, "Give us your thoughts on the 7th Amendment." Then everybody just sits back and waits for him to explode.

Given the number of questions Trump ignored, why do you think his response to your proposed questioned would be anything other than one more condemnation of Clinton?

And even if they tried to pin him down by asking the question again, he would most likely say, "you want to talk about the seventh amendment when Clinton is about to let violent Muslims in the country? What is wrong with you?"

ETA
And even if you told him that if he mentioned Clinton in his answer then his microphone would be turned off for twelve minutes, he could easily tap dance his way through a two-minute response by talking about the framers and their intent and how off base the current SCOTUS has become and how we need common-sense judges and yadda yadda.

 

[Seismosaurus]

It would have been great if the sole question to Donald Drumpf was, "Give us your thoughts on the 7th Amendment." Then everybody just sits back and waits for him to explode.

"Our constitution is so important, it's very important, folks. It's important. All of it. And if I'm President, I'll appoint judges that will uphold the constitution and ALL the amendments. And that's why we can't elect crooked Hillary, because she wants to dismantle the 2nd Amendment and take everyone's guns away. She's so crooked folks, there's never been anybody so crooked. It's amazing, it's really amazing. It's so amazing."

His fans would lap it up and say he gave a fantastic answer.