2016 Presidential Debate III

[xjx388]

I get closer every day to considering a vote for Clinton and then I hear her say something completely insane: That there are good medical reasons for ending the life of a baby in the last stages of pregnancy. I would love to hear some of these stories she knows about where a baby had to be killed in order to save the life of the mother. Makes no medical sense.

 

[Babbylonian]

I noticed on the Supreme Court question that Hillary said "...who I nominate". Trump said "...I would appoint".

I really do question his knowledge of how the government works.

That's not a mistake. Both terms are applicable and "appoint" is actually the more proper term of the two. Federal judges are appointed by the President. At that point, it is up to the Senate whether or not to confirm the appointment. This is also true of cabinet posts and a large number of other top-tier federal jobs which are also filled by presidential appointment.

 

[slyjoe]

That's not a mistake. Both terms are applicable and "appoint" is actually the more proper term of the two. Federal judges are appointed by the President. At that point, it is up to the Senate whether or not to confirm the appointment. This is also true of cabinet posts and a large number of other top-tier federal jobs which are also filled by presidential appointment.

SC justices are different.

 

[marplots]

I get closer every day to considering a vote for Clinton and then I hear her say something completely insane: That there are good medical reasons for ending the life of a baby in the last stages of pregnancy. I would love to hear some of these stories she knows about where a baby had to be killed in order to save the life of the mother. Makes no medical sense.

There may be a disorder in the baby that threatens the mother's life and they don't find out until the last minute. Like vampirism.

 

[Puppycow]

So I hit it, and the video was paused. I hit play and the video was resumed exactly where I left it (Which can't, by definition, happen in a live feed)

Modern technology. What you were probably watching was a recording with a small delay (maybe just 1 second or even less, I don't know). But close enough to real time so you can reasonably call it "Live" but you can also do nice things like pause it and pick back up again where you left off.

I could be wrong about that of course, but that's my working theory. I think I saw something similar myself recently.

 

[NoahFence]

I get closer every day to considering a vote for Clinton and then I hear her say something completely insane: That there are good medical reasons for ending the life of a baby in the last stages of pregnancy. I would love to hear some of these stories she knows about where a baby had to be killed in order to save the life of the mother. Makes no medical sense.

Maybe getting off of ISF for, I dunno. 10 minutes and looking into that issue may shed some light on it.

 

[Puppycow]

I'm at work this morning (for me) so I couldn't watch but I hear that Trump trotted out "Nobody has more respect for women than I do" again and the audience laughed out loud.

Just as long as they are young, thin, attractive and deferential. The fat ones, the ugly ones, the old ones, the ones who don't stroke his ego, he has no use for.

 

[Tony Stark]

CNN instant poll:

Hillary: 52%
Donald: 39%

Closer than the other debates. I'll take it.

 

[slyjoe]

I get closer every day to considering a vote for Clinton and then I hear her say something completely insane: That there are good medical reasons for ending the life of a baby in the last stages of pregnancy. I would love to hear some of these stories she knows about where a baby had to be killed in order to save the life of the mother. Makes no medical sense.

Preeclampsia
Uterine Cancer
Ectopic Pregnancy

 

[Babbylonian]

SC justices are different.

No, they're not. Supreme Court justices are appointed by the President. It's in the advice and consent clause in the presidential powers section. The word "nominate" appears but its one appearance is dwarfed by forms of the word "appoint" here and in the appointments clause.

Again, say what you want about Trump (he's literally the worst) but "appoint" is an absolutely correct word to use in that context.

 

[Stacko]

CNN instant poll:

Hillary: 52%
Donald: 39%

Closer than the other debates. I'll take it.

Yougov

49% Clinton
39% Donald

I think 39% is going to closely match his vote percentage in the election.

 

[Puppycow]

I get closer every day to considering a vote for Clinton and then I hear her say something completely insane: That there are good medical reasons for ending the life of a baby in the last stages of pregnancy. I would love to hear some of these stories she knows about where a baby had to be killed in order to save the life of the mother. Makes no medical sense.

Actually there are cases where it is necessary to save the life of the mother.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/w...care-in-death-of-indian-woman-in-ireland.html

 

[slyjoe]

No, they're not. Supreme Court justices are appointed by the President. It's in the advice and consent clause in the presidential powers section. The word "nominate" appears but its one appearance is dwarfed by forms of the word "appoint" here and in the appointments clause.

Again, say what you want about Trump (he's literally the worst) but "appoint" is an absolutely correct word to use in that context.

I hear you. I was referring to what I remember hearing most often - the president's nomination for SC justice. Maybe definitions and usage don't align

 

[Delvo]

Good to bring up entitlements. But he let Trump go on about Obamacare.

Chris Wallace tried to correct him that his answer had nothing to do with the question. The Orange Menace just kept going.

Trump thinks of "Obamacare" as an entitlement, so it seemed on-topic to him. (He's getting that particular law mixed up with what some of his political opponents wish it had been.)

Trump can't understand who he is running against. He made another argument against Foreign Policy and then realized Clinton wasn't involved.

He's not running against her individually. He's running against he whole machine/establishment which she represents.

Conway saying that Trump will accept the results of the election because he'll win it

...and indirect admission that he wouldn't if he lost.

Fortunately, it wouldn't matter whether he accepted it or not. It just is what is it; it's not something the loser gets to dispute.

 

[marplots]

Actually there are cases where it is necessary to save the life of the mother.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/w...care-in-death-of-indian-woman-in-ireland.html

A 17-week old fetus would not be considered "in the last stages of pregnancy."

 

[Delvo]

I'm at work this morning (for me) so I couldn't watch but I hear that Trump trotted out "Nobody has more respect for women than I do" again and the audience laughed out loud.

It contradicts not only the allegations and the recording and the fact that he owned that pagent, but also even his own words in an interview.

"So you treat women with respect?"
"I can't say that either" (smiling)

The clip has been in a Clinton ad... which probably the audience has seen and Trump hasn't.

Why do these things even have audiences?

 

[Cain]

I'm at work this morning (for me) so I couldn't watch but I hear that Trump trotted out "Nobody has more respect for women than I do" again and the audience laughed out loud.

When Trump first said that I instantly thought of Islamic fundamentalists.

 

[Mike!]

It contradicts not only the allegations and the recording and the fact that he owned that pagent, but also even his own words in an interview.

"So you treat women with respect?"
"I can't say that either" (smiling)

The clip has been in a Clinton ad... which probably the audience has seen and Trump hasn't.

Why do these things even have audiences?

So we know it's actually happening "live". They'd never record a show with a "live" audience, and then air it later in the day, would they?

 

[Puppycow]

A 17-week old fetus would not be considered "in the last stages of pregnancy."

You're right. But the point is that sometimes an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother. I'm not for late term abortions that aren't medically necessary. Unless it's a situation where the fetus has some kind of catastrophic defect, like no brain for example, and won't be able to live anyway. I just don't want a blanket rule that doesn't leave room for exceptions for extreme circumstances.

 

[marplots]

You're right. But the point is that sometimes an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother. I'm not for late term abortions that aren't medically necessary. Unless it's a situation where the fetus has some kind of catastrophic defect, like no brain for example, and won't be able to live anyway. I just don't want a blanket rule that doesn't leave room for exceptions for extreme circumstances.

I'd extend that to include not just saving mom's life, but general health reasons too. So, if you have a hydrocephalic fetus, do a partial birth to collapse the skull and prevent damage to the cervix (or having to do a Caesarean section).

Anyhow, I expect the fact-checkers will have fun with the "day before delivery" bit Trump said a couple times.